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Re: Gmail – A New Integrated Layout

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> Important: To use the new view, you must turn on Chat in Gmail and set Chat to the left hand panel. Learn how to turn on Chat in Gmail. "c'mon, use our messaging products again"

How many of these have they killed already? Google Talk, Google Pie, Google Plus to an extent. Which ones am I missing?

Re: Gmail – A New Integrated Layout

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I shudder at the amount of retraining non technically sophisticated users will need. The doctors, teachers, and everyday people who just want their e-mail to work so they can worry about their real jobs will all have some annoying cognitive load forced on them for reasons that benefit Google and not them.

One of many great reasons to care about open protocols and the ability to use third-party client applications. Software freedom (protocol freedom? interface freedom?) has _practical_ benefits for the public good. Attempts to deviate towards closed systems and protocols should generally be viewed as monopolistic antisocial rent-seeking by default, in my opinion.

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#13

Is there any way to alleviate the problem of these forced UX transitions? At the time, Gmail was pretty revolutionary for what it offered (a large, free email account), but as the cost of compute and storage has declined, its pretty cheap to store 10GB-15GB of email in an mbox file or similar data store, fronted with JMAP [1], which any client or web front end that supports it could talk to. Is asking for long term s…

Google launched IMAP for Gmail fifteen years ago. Use that if you want stasis.

Re: Gmail – A New Integrated Layout

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I shudder at the amount of retraining non technically sophisticated users will need. The doctors, teachers, and everyday people who just want their e-mail to work so they can worry about their real jobs will all have some annoying cognitive load forced on them for reasons that benefit Google and not them.

I'm starting to see real problems with the continuous upgrade way of life. Giving people clearer and longer cycle of use seems healthier (especially for non tech savvy people).

Less random surprises, less regressions, less relearning, and when it needs to happen there's one clear hurdle to climb, if you want it.

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How many (HN) Gmail users still use the Gmail interface? I remember giving up on it as a primary interface in the mid-to-late '00s, my laptop was crappy and the interface had slowed down so much that it was nearly unusable. There was visible lag while typing a message on my circa 2003 cheap HP laptop (I was a student, it was what I could afford). It was like getting sent back to 1996 and typing out documents in Word on a 486 (In 1996, I was only typing at 30 wpm and would easily get ahead of the system. Type up a paragraph, sit back and wait while it appeared on screen.)

I've only used it since when needing to type a long form email or grab some critical information from an email while traveling and borrowing a friend or family member's computer. I haven't even done that in years thanks to smartphones.

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It’s quite tiring how often they change this. Gmail is a horrible, cluttered, and slow UI. I have started migration to my own mail server with opensmtpd, dovecote, mutt and Rainloop for web mail.

Did this exact thing 13 (wow! Time flies) years ago and never looked back!

You have to put in the hours but you know that you run that stuff!

Even after four major migrations (roughly one weekend every 3 years) and all the bullying from the big hosts to accept your mail I still wouldn’t change my mind!

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I am not associated with this product, but a very happy customer. https://simpl.fyi/about It is a plugin that emulates some of the now-removed Inbox functionality, and generally makes Gmail more pleasant to deal with.

Why not switch to a paid-for email provider?

Not only Google cares about locking you in their platform (they need your eyeballs) but they also intend to use your data against you (to influence your purchase decision and provide more pricing leverage to sellers).

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post #11

> Important: To use the new view, you must turn on Chat in Gmail and set Chat to the left hand panel. Learn how to turn on Chat in Gmail. "c'mon, use our messaging products again"

How many of these have they killed already? Google Talk, Google Pie, Google Plus to an extent. Which ones am I missing?

Google Hangouts, Google Allo, &c. The list goes on.

Re: Gmail – A New Integrated Layout

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post #13

Is there any way to alleviate the problem of these forced UX transitions? At the time, Gmail was pretty revolutionary for what it offered (a large, free email account), but as the cost of compute and storage has declined, its pretty cheap to store 10GB-15GB of email in an mbox file or similar data store, fronted with JMAP [1], which any client or web front end that supports it could talk to. Is asking for long term s…

Google launched IMAP for Gmail fifteen years ago. Use that if you want stasis.

No offense to Google, imap is inferior to both JAMP and Gmail's REST API for present day messaging and integration purposes. Google's IMAP implementation also has some...quirks.

Re: Gmail – A New Integrated Layout

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post #11

> Important: To use the new view, you must turn on Chat in Gmail and set Chat to the left hand panel. Learn how to turn on Chat in Gmail. "c'mon, use our messaging products again"

How many of these have they killed already? Google Talk, Google Pie, Google Plus to an extent. Which ones am I missing?

I want to say this is a tired complaint. But it just keeps hitting true. Just, wow.
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