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The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Re: The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Post by nradov »

Barrin92 wrote: post #10
nradov wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the percentage of musicians or actors or comedians making over $15K per year?

probably not much better, but as the article points out, influencer/streamer is now the most popular future job in the eyes of many kids. "People have always invested incredible amounts of their youth into pursuing dead-end career choices. But we deserve to do so for the right reasons and to channel our creativity towards better goals." These new platforms are unique in that they give a widespread young audience the…

I'm not too worried. When I was a kid some of my peers invested incredible amounts of their youth into pursuing professional sports careers. None of them succeeded, but I think most of them eventually did fine in other fields.

Re: The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Post by nekcihc »

aahortwwy wrote: post #7

A somewhat disingenuous article discussing a problem as old as the entertainment industry and painting it as Twitch being somehow uniquely exploitative. > I hope I convinced you to mentally categorize the average hard-working streamer’s career hopes accurately — well into the lottery ticket territory. 98% of channels on Twitch aren't monetized. They don't get revenue share because they don't generate any revenue. The…

I suppose, that in terms of Twitch monetization we can talk only about revenue from:

1. subscriptions

it takes only 250 tier 1 subscribers to reach that 15 000$/year, if we take into account, that twitch is taking 50% from charges

2. ads

This actually turns away all the casual watchers, who are not subscribing, but only donating. Subscribers do not see ads in most cases anyway, so there is not that much income for streamer.

3. bits

They were implemented to take away cut from donations. Not really useful, compared to other types of donations from paypal, patron or from donations that are going into cryptocurrencies wallets.

I'm very sceptical about that twitch streamers who do streaming as a serious job only get 15 000$/year(more like 15 000$/month would be more realistically, otherwise there would be not that many twitch thots who have switched from streaming in adult industry to twitch - their income numbers from streaming on twitch were posted to be in range of 60 000$ - 90 000$ per month, so they are not nowhere that poor, as those who are donating to them). For a well established streamer donations are rarely less than 100$ per stream. That makes very decent salary even for US.

PS only insane person can write with green ink article, to irritate anyone else who is trying to read that BS crap article.

Re: The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Post by aahortwwy »

aahortwwy wrote: post #7

A somewhat disingenuous article discussing a problem as old as the entertainment industry and painting it as Twitch being somehow uniquely exploitative. > I hope I convinced you to mentally categorize the average hard-working streamer’s career hopes accurately — well into the lottery ticket territory. 98% of channels on Twitch aren't monetized. They don't get revenue share because they don't generate any revenue. The…

> 98% of channels on Twitch aren't monetized.

Can't edit, but it's 92.8%. I typo'd it.

Re: The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Post by nekcihc »

aahortwwy wrote: post #13
aahortwwy wrote: post #7

A somewhat disingenuous article discussing a problem as old as the entertainment industry and painting it as Twitch being somehow uniquely exploitative. > I hope I convinced you to mentally categorize the average hard-working streamer’s career hopes accurately — well into the lottery ticket territory. 98% of channels on Twitch aren't monetized. They don't get revenue share because they don't generate any revenue. The…

> 98% of channels on Twitch aren't monetized. Can't edit, but it's 92.8%. I typo'd it.

Anyway, there seems to be assumption, that those 92,8% are also streamers. They are not - they are mainly watching others. So, to take a closer look on Twitch monetization, there has to be data only about streamers, that excludes watcher accounts, or those that are not doing seriously any streaming. As a rule of thumb, if they are not affiliated and not receiving income from Twitch, then those 92,8% Twitch accounts are not streamers or as the article states - they are not content "creators". It still is a lazy article for what it claims to represent.

Re: The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Post by choclice »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #4

Describing the shove sellers as LARPing content creation is very incisive. Funny how often the most successful are often selling "how to sell/create" or some fictional image of creation.

See also:

* passive income folks whose business is to teach passive income

* van lifers who earn by... selling the van life.

Ultimately they're profiting on the difference between reality and people's wishful thinking.

Re: The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Post by Ekaros »

nekcihc wrote: post #15
aahortwwy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 98% of channels on Twitch aren't monetized. Can't edit, but it's 92.8%. I typo'd it.

Anyway, there seems to be assumption, that those 92,8% are also streamers. They are not - they are mainly watching others. So, to take a closer look on Twitch monetization, there has to be data only about streamers, that excludes watcher accounts, or those that are not doing seriously any streaming. As a rule of thumb, if they are not affiliated and not receiving income from Twitch, then those 92,8% Twitch accounts a…

Yeah, just take a reasonable comparison. Youtube. I think everyone there have a channel, some minority have even videos. Still just because I have uploaded a few things doesn't make me a content creator. And I shouldn't be included in any math involving content creators.

Re: The Dire, Bullshit Economics of Twitch Creators

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Post by cuteboy19 »

nekcihc wrote: post #15
aahortwwy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 98% of channels on Twitch aren't monetized. Can't edit, but it's 92.8%. I typo'd it.

Anyway, there seems to be assumption, that those 92,8% are also streamers. They are not - they are mainly watching others. So, to take a closer look on Twitch monetization, there has to be data only about streamers, that excludes watcher accounts, or those that are not doing seriously any streaming. As a rule of thumb, if they are not affiliated and not receiving income from Twitch, then those 92,8% Twitch accounts a…

atleast the upfront investment for that career is very low
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