Live data from Hacker News

Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

reuters.com

11–20 of 29 posts

Re: Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

#11

They should ban Google and Apple - I’m actually curious to see how they’d react. Fines ultimately are just cost of doing business. In China for example they actually banned Apple Pay in everything except safari.

How do payments happen in China on iGadgets? Through 3rd party payment providers?

Re: Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

#13

If I'm Apple, when do I accept that the writing is on the wall... It will be an interesting WWDC.

>when do I accept that the writing is on the wall.. The giants will not stop if the bad behavior still makes profit, Apple will add one more exception for the narrow case in each country they lose, and when they lose again will add a new super narrow exception. This will continue until US force them to allow real choice for the users and be transparent about things(force them to replace "Buy" with "Rent", allow users…

Replacing "Buy" with "Rent" is something you will never convince non-tech people to care about. That ship sailed when EULAs were deemed legal. Pushing it will just confuse people and I'd argue muddy the waters for the truly important things.

Re: Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

#15
FYI, a massive hedge fund (Fortress) has employed this "huggable" tech nerd as PR-symbol to lead a claims lawsuit bandwagoning on the hatred for Big Tech. Ironically, the same guy (Alexander Klopping) ran a company which offered a subscription based magazine/newspaper aggregator also taxing all publishers 30%.

edit: not sure why this is getting downvoted. This is a for-profit claim. Alexander describes himself as tech nerd. His positive public image comes from many bubbly media appearances explaining tech in a way the common denominator watching prime TV can understand. The company he ran is called "Blendle" and also added a 30% tax for all publishers which was reflected in the subscription price for consumers. Most people in the board of the foundation are notorious in the for-profit claim industry.

Re: Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

#16

If I'm Apple, when do I accept that the writing is on the wall... It will be an interesting WWDC.

>when do I accept that the writing is on the wall.. The giants will not stop if the bad behavior still makes profit, Apple will add one more exception for the narrow case in each country they lose, and when they lose again will add a new super narrow exception. This will continue until US force them to allow real choice for the users and be transparent about things(force them to replace "Buy" with "Rent", allow users…

Apple will add one more exception for the narrow case in each country they lose, and when they lose again will add a new super narrow exception.

That is most likely not going to work for a long time, EU-wide legislation is being prepared that will (among other things) most likely open the door for alternative app stores:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro...

As an iOS user, I don't think this would be a great outcome. But Apple called this upon them by charging an insane 30% (15% in some cases) and limiting alternative payment methods, etc.

Re: Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

#17

They should ban Google and Apple - I’m actually curious to see how they’d react. Fines ultimately are just cost of doing business. In China for example they actually banned Apple Pay in everything except safari.

How do payments happen in China on iGadgets? Through 3rd party payment providers?

I believe through WeChat.

Re: Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>when do I accept that the writing is on the wall.. The giants will not stop if the bad behavior still makes profit, Apple will add one more exception for the narrow case in each country they lose, and when they lose again will add a new super narrow exception. This will continue until US force them to allow real choice for the users and be transparent about things(force them to replace "Buy" with "Rent", allow users…

Replacing "Buy" with "Rent" is something you will never convince non-tech people to care about. That ship sailed when EULAs were deemed legal. Pushing it will just confuse people and I'd argue muddy the waters for the truly important things.

People can learn, you will need to make public stories like

"Person X "bought" music/books from store X in value of 10K and now he can't access it because some bullshit EULA"

"person Y "bought" 1 year subscription but was banned for 6 months by an algorithm, no right to appeal and no refunds" Person Z bought a device but after 1 month an update crippled it, W bought a device and the platform owner crippled the included browser and made it impossible to install a usable alternative.

Re: Dutch foundation seeks consumer damages over Apple, Google app payments

#20

FYI, a massive hedge fund (Fortress) has employed this "huggable" tech nerd as PR-symbol to lead a claims lawsuit bandwagoning on the hatred for Big Tech. Ironically, the same guy (Alexander Klopping) ran a company which offered a subscription based magazine/newspaper aggregator also taxing all publishers 30%. edit: not sure why this is getting downvoted. This is a for-profit claim. Alexander describes himself as tec…

> not sure why this is getting downvoted.

Because this is a thread for airing grievances about Apple, not the context behind the linked article or who's involved in a lawsuit.

Post reply on HN