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Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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At 320 EeV, the OMG particle is over 5 orders of magnitude more than 1.4 PeV. It's a completely nuts amount if energy to have in a single particle: about the same as a decently moving baseball. From the particle's frame, it takes only a day to go a billion light years.

> about the same as a decently moving baseball I heard this, but it's hard to believe it's real (or, obviously, I'm misunderstanding it). What would happen if one of these hit a person in space? Would it be the same sort of feeling as getting hit by a baseball? Earlier I wondered how this much energy didn't totally wreck the detector, but someone else posted this link https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/OhMyGodParticl…

It doesn't interact like a baseball, it just has the energy of one.

If it does hit an atom, it produces a shower of other particles, most of which will have similarly huge energies and will probably go right through the rest of the detector and start their own showers in other matter. So you'll get a detector with a few atomic dislocations, and the rest of the energy would be distributed amongst a huge number of other interactions.

It's actually similar to x-ray "hardening", where soft x-rays are filtered out by a metal shield, leaving only harder radiation. This is carefully calibrated to allow the radiation to penetrate to a certain depth, leaving shallower tissue unharmed.

In a way, it could be better to be hit by an OMG particle than a less energetic particle, as the amount of energy that gets dumped into you is smaller: the vast, vast majority of it would be shotgunned deep into the ground under you, and only a very few molecules in you are actually affected.

Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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1.4 PeV are about 0.224 millijoules or roughly an 8 billionth of a phone charge, so not much really. However, the photons we usually deal with are weaker by an unimaginable amount, but also much more plentiful. For example, a 100 W light bulb emits something in the order of 10^21 photons per second. If you had a light bulb that emitted the same amount of photons with 1.4 PeV each, you'd have a device equivalent to on…

It's roughly the amount of kinetic energy in a single grain of rice if you gently throw a handful of them. It's not much, but it's not an inconceivably small amount of energy either. Comparing it to a phone charge is less useful because batteries store a lot of energy (especially when converted to kinetic energy).

I would say that 1.4 PeV is enough energy (by a large margin) to be audible. If that photon interacted with something near you and deposited any respectable fraction of its energy as heat or kinetic energy on a macroscopic scale, you would hear it!

Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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One of the coolest and easiest Physics home experiments, is to build your own cloud chamber, and use it as a particle detector.

https://www.snolab.ca/outreach/resources-for-students-educat...

"Build a particle detector":

https://www.snolab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Build-a-par...

https://youtu.be/xky3f1aSkB8

"Cosmic Rays and the Cloud Chamber":

https://crater.unh.edu/pdfs/CosmicRayBook.pdf

Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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For laymen, can someone who is knowledge put this into persepective ?

It’s x100 times more powerful than the collider at CERN. 14TeV vs 1.4 PeV. To put it into context, 1 TeV is the energy a mosquito uses to fly. It doesn't sound like much, but for a particle as small as a photon it's a huge amount of energy.

Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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One of the coolest and easiest Physics home experiments, is to build your own cloud chamber, and use it as a particle detector. https://www.snolab.ca/outreach/resources-for-students-educat... "Build a particle detector": https://www.snolab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Build-a-par... https://youtu.be/xky3f1aSkB8 "Cosmic Rays and the Cloud Chamber": https://crater.unh.edu/pdfs/CosmicRayBook.pdf

This was always my favorite exhibit at the Exploratorium.

Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> about the same as a decently moving baseball I heard this, but it's hard to believe it's real (or, obviously, I'm misunderstanding it). What would happen if one of these hit a person in space? Would it be the same sort of feeling as getting hit by a baseball? Earlier I wondered how this much energy didn't totally wreck the detector, but someone else posted this link https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/OhMyGodParticl…

It doesn't interact like a baseball, it just has the energy of one. If it does hit an atom, it produces a shower of other particles, most of which will have similarly huge energies and will probably go right through the rest of the detector and start their own showers in other matter. So you'll get a detector with a few atomic dislocations, and the rest of the energy would be distributed amongst a huge number of othe…

Correct me if I’m wrong but at a photon’s scale a human is mostly empty space.

Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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One of the coolest and easiest Physics home experiments, is to build your own cloud chamber, and use it as a particle detector. https://www.snolab.ca/outreach/resources-for-students-educat... "Build a particle detector": https://www.snolab.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Build-a-par... https://youtu.be/xky3f1aSkB8 "Cosmic Rays and the Cloud Chamber": https://crater.unh.edu/pdfs/CosmicRayBook.pdf

About 20 years ago, I was on trans-oceanic flight. Coffee was served at some point in the flight, and I am convinced the steam coming off the beverage, along with the higher altitude created a cloud chamber in front of me.

While the coffee cooled, there were very distinct cosmic ray patterns within the steam that I cannot come up with any other explanation for.

Re: Ultrahigh-energy photons up to 1.4 PeV from 12 γ-ray Galactic sources (2021)

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For laymen, can someone who is knowledge put this into persepective ?

Here's another way to put this into perspective:

Photons carry momentum, although it's too small to be perceptible under ordinary circumstances. If a typical photon of sunlight hits an oxygen molecule in the Earth's atmosphere, and deposits all its momentum, it's enough to give that molecule a "kick" of a few centimeters per second.

In contrast, a single one of these cosmic ray photons carries enough momentum (if it could somehow be delivered in the right way) to accelerate an entire E. coli bacterium, weighing as much as billions of oxygen molecules, to supersonic speeds.

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