One must break eggs in order to make an omelet.
The omelette is already made. We already have the technology he's "developing".
15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
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Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#12If you'd like to remind yourself of the original demonstration video of a monkey with Neuralink, playing a game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXrGH52aoM
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#13One must break eggs in order to make an omelet.
All good and dandy until the egg is you or someone you love.
To put ourselves in the shoes of the monkeys that died a pointless death for who knows what (a chip that will allow broadcasting ads directly into the brain?) is a thing that we call "empathy". Try having some one day.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#14“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.
> Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.
Wait: the guy tortures (or pays for the torture of) intelligent life for literally zero benefit and your conclusion is that his trial timeline isn't realistic? I actually lol'd
Self-crashing cars, science-blocking satellites, Ativan tweets, and now sadism to primates: what more evidence do we need that what this person requires -- in the most charitable possible case -- is to be tarred and feathered and sent to live forever in that garbage patch in the Pacific?
Honestly it's like 2 decades now with this guy, what's it gonna take
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#15“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.
Self-driving cars have been postponed indefinitely. I don't trust his companies with human brain implants before they can get cars to reliably drive accident-free.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#16“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.
> Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe. Wait: the guy tortures (or pays for the torture of) intelligent life for literally zero benefit and your conclusion is that his trial timeline isn't realistic? I actually lol'd Self-crashing cars, science-blocking satellites, Ativan tweets, and now sadism to primates: what more evidence do we need that what this person requires -- in the most charitable po…
I think, more charitably, is that the OP's point is it's patently absurd that Elon wants human trials in any form this year when these kind of horrific deaths are happening to these monkeys.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#17Instead of bashing and defending Elon Musk, I would appreciate an answer from a medical researcher or someone with equivalent knowledge on how do the findings relate to other medical studies where monkeys are used, in terms of numbers used, way monkeys were treated as well as research outcome value compared to similar studies done elsewhere. (thanks)
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#18The article felt a bit flat. Surely there's no such thing as "oops, monkey died, let me just grab the next one off the shelf". There's no real reporting into the why or how, just uncritical repeating of the complaint that the neuralink research is dangerous / unethical. The reporting is so flimsy that one starts to look at the page and ask "wait, what site am I on anyway?" Hmm, I wonder what sort of bias a site called consequence has.
So naturally I click around. It appears to be some sort of music blog, with articles that are primarily focused on celebrity outrage gossip. Well, that explains a bit. Still neuralink is a bit outside their wheelhouse. How did this article get on their front page. Scrolling around at the top we see that the contributor basically just paraphrased what he read elsewhere for clicks. "Via Business Insider and the New York Post, the news comes from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, an animal-rights group..."
Ok, so its a report of a report of an animal rights group claiming they plan to file a complaint (but haven't done so yet). This is all rather tenuous.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#19Elon almost always overpromises and under delivers. The majority of his projects never really come to fruition.
A marketer's trick. But he has at least one big win - SpaceX.
Tesla is also one (a lot less so than SpaceX). They kinda reached their claims and stayed alive longer than expected.
Re: 15 of 23 Monkeys with Elon Musk’s Neuralink Brain Chips Reportedly Died
#20“Pretty much every single monkey that had had implants put in their head suffered from pretty debilitating health effects,” said the PCRM’s research advocacy director Jeremy Beckham. “They were, frankly, maiming and killing the animals.” Elon's desire for human trials in 2022 definitely isn't going to work. Human trials in 2032 seems a much more realistic timeframe.
Maybe 2132