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An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

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"We plan to update our unwanted tracking alert system to notify users earlier that an unknown AirTag or Find My network accessory may be traveling with them." How does this work if one doesn't own an iPhone?

There is an Android app which allows Android users to see the same notifications.

Yea, but philosophically, you shouldn't have to opt in (to opt out) - if I don't want to any part of apple's ecosystem, this forces me to actively opt out.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#12
post #8

"We plan to update our unwanted tracking alert system to notify users earlier that an unknown AirTag or Find My network accessory may be traveling with them." How does this work if one doesn't own an iPhone?

There is an Android app which allows Android users to see the same notifications.

Does it also conveniently increase the coverage of the network?

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#14

I'm not always a fan of Apple's decisions, but short of pulling AirTags off the shelves and scrapping the product entirely, they've gone far beyond any of their competition (Tile) with this stuff. Ultimately, maybe we're better off just losing things sometimes.

Let’s see how hard it is to neuter the sound generation within the AirTag itself. If it’s silent itself, an Android or no-device trackee is vulnerable. There is not much tech that lacks unpreventable malicious use. Needs to be expected for pretty much anything.

Would it be possible to design the device to detect if the speaker has been tampered with? Perhaps having some sort of microphone on board to detect whether the speaker is functional would work.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#15
post #4

I get an alert every time I ride my wife’s bicycle. It would be nice to be able to mark her tags as ok to be near me.

Being able to share AirTags via a family iCloud account seems to be a pretty commonly requested feature. It does seem a little silly that I can track every device attached to the account but not AirTags.

Even outside of family. I would buy an airtag for my dog for when my friend watches them. It'd be nice to drop off my dog and "share airtag with this user" so they can have a resource in case my dog got lost.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#17

I'm not always a fan of Apple's decisions, but short of pulling AirTags off the shelves and scrapping the product entirely, they've gone far beyond any of their competition (Tile) with this stuff. Ultimately, maybe we're better off just losing things sometimes.

Exactly - this seems like the kind of thing where the only way to really mitigate its abuse is to not have it at all.

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should." - Dr. Ian Malcolm

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#18
> ...and we condemn in the strongest possible terms any malicious use of our products.

Then subject them to malicious users before releasing them to see what sort of ideas they can come up with in a few days, and mitigate those before general release.

Go schedule a room at Defcon, give people AirTags, and see what they do. If they neutralized your mitigations in an hour, well... other people can figure that out too. That the speakers are so easy to disable... well, yeah, you should have figured that out before release.

I'm a bit concerned about Apple's internal ability to reason about malicious actors. This is the second time in recent history they've released a shiny something, only to discover it torn to shreds in very short order by people. The whole CSAM hashing algorithm being as weak as it was to manipulation should not have been a surprise to them - but it sure seems like the system was designed without considering that the first hashing algorithm was trivial to intentionally collide.

"Buy an iPhone to prevent people from tracking you, and if you want to see where the tracker is, buy a really new one!" is some sort of sales pitch, certainly, though this new set of things sounds so prone to false positives and annoyance that I'm not sure how long it will be until people just turn the whole thing off (if that's an option).

It's a neat concept, but doesn't seem to have survived contact with reality and humans very well.

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#19
post #8

"We plan to update our unwanted tracking alert system to notify users earlier that an unknown AirTag or Find My network accessory may be traveling with them." How does this work if one doesn't own an iPhone?

There is an Android app which allows Android users to see the same notifications.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.trac...

With 100.000+ installs it seems only a very small percentage of Android users is aware or cares

Re: An update on AirTag and unwanted tracking

#20

I'm not always a fan of Apple's decisions, but short of pulling AirTags off the shelves and scrapping the product entirely, they've gone far beyond any of their competition (Tile) with this stuff. Ultimately, maybe we're better off just losing things sometimes.

Let’s see how hard it is to neuter the sound generation within the AirTag itself. If it’s silent itself, an Android or no-device trackee is vulnerable. There is not much tech that lacks unpreventable malicious use. Needs to be expected for pretty much anything.

Trivial.

https://mashtips.com/remove-airtag-speaker/

Or just buy a pre-modded one.

https://uk.pcmag.com/mobile-phone-accessories/138509/silent-...

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