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Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#11
Weigh the ROI of changing your environment vs changing yourself

A lot of people on HN are do-it-yourself, bootstrap types. So you'll naturally get "why don't you just do XYZ."

There's merit in that, but sometimes changing the environment is more effective. That environment may be literal physical location (closer to friends or activities you're interested in), a job environment (different industry) or, at a smaller scale, your home environment. I finally started updating my place and having friends over and it's made a huge difference.

On a personal note: a hard lesson I had to learn for myself is that having fun (as weird as it sounds) is my responsibility. I found that I tended to look "outwards" for stimulation, fun, validation...waiting for the world to give me things.

Hanging out with people who were great at cultivating their own fun & energy helped me realize 1) this is something I could cultivate and 2) I was shirking responsibility.

IMO this cultivation of one's own energy is a long, internal journey. But worth it.

Good luck mate.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#12
I and I suspect not an insignificant number here would identify with you if that's any consolation .

It always feels grass is greener on the side. All the people paying mortgages and changing diapers also think have they made wrong choices and is their current life making them happy .

Becoming happy in one's life is an internal journey it has little do with it social life /career /family/wealth we have or don't.

Religion /cults / self improvement /therapy (some types) are all businesses that that thrive on selling their flavour solution to the problem. Maybe they even work for some.

It is hard to say what works best for anyone.

I find learning new tech/writing more code I want to write rather than what someone pays me to do helps.

Sometimes even spending weekends cleaning up/refactoring even code from work makes my work week feel way better and less stressed.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#13

"they're all full of lonely developers and other socially awkward people - short guys looking for girlfriends, unattractive/aging women looking for husbands, etc." So...people like you? you sound really judgemental man. Since you have no friends(so nothing to hold you where you are, right?), and apparently a good source of income, I'd advise you to go remote, travel, try digital nomadism, go to meetups, meet other tr…

> So...people like you? you sound really judgemental man.

I know it sounds bad, but I don't want to meet people like me. I really don't like myself right now :) I'm looking for a way out from this state, not a way to settle in.

It's like you can't treat depression by hanging out with other depressed people, it'll make you worse.

> Since you have no friends(so nothing to hold you where you are, right?), and apparently a good source of income, I'd advise you to go remote, travel, try digital nomadism, go to meetups, meet other travelers, maybe try coworking spaces? hacker houses/airbnbs with people from lots of different places?

Traveling and digital nomading is definitely on my list, the pandemic delayed the plans. I'm afraid though, that it'll only lead me to meeting more and more developers. I tried a bunch of coworking spaces in my area, and this is exactly what happened. Meetups in my area were also only tech-related.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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post #13

"they're all full of lonely developers and other socially awkward people - short guys looking for girlfriends, unattractive/aging women looking for husbands, etc." So...people like you? you sound really judgemental man. Since you have no friends(so nothing to hold you where you are, right?), and apparently a good source of income, I'd advise you to go remote, travel, try digital nomadism, go to meetups, meet other tr…

> So...people like you? you sound really judgemental man. I know it sounds bad, but I don't want to meet people like me. I really don't like myself right now :) I'm looking for a way out from this state, not a way to settle in. It's like you can't treat depression by hanging out with other depressed people, it'll make you worse. > Since you have no friends(so nothing to hold you where you are, right?), and apparently…

Work on yourself first, buddy. Learn to be happy, then people will naturally enter your life and stick around.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#16
Take my post with a grain of salt. It is hard to give any real advice without knowing the full picture. You do know your situation though.

I don't remember the exact quote, but Pratchett suggested ( if you are willing to listen to strangers on the net ), and I happen to agree, that focusing on looks is a fools errand. Looks fade. Kisses get less enticing. Cooking skills only get better.

I remember my 20s and 30s through a haze of various mistakes. Eventually, I decided enough is enough and opted for 'boring' and 'normal', because, as it turns out, I am pretty boring. Is it possible that you simply did not reach your limit when it comes to hedonistic endeavors?

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#17

Take my post with a grain of salt. It is hard to give any real advice without knowing the full picture. You do know your situation though. I don't remember the exact quote, but Pratchett suggested ( if you are willing to listen to strangers on the net ), and I happen to agree, that focusing on looks is a fools errand. Looks fade. Kisses get less enticing. Cooking skills only get better. I remember my 20s and 30s thro…

I don't disagree with you on most of your points, expect one. Cooking skills don't always improve sadly.

My cooking skills have definitely degraded from my 20s to my 30s.

The financial cost of ordering out is no longer significant enough to worry about cooking more, and by the 30s I have become wiser and made peace with the fact I am terrible cook and won't even try and without practice any skill degrades.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#18
I understand.

Take some time to do some true introspection and consider obtaining a therapist. What are you are living is a common human experience.

1. Your outlook seems quite negative and judgmental. Start there. Acceptance is key.

2. It’s hard to be at peace with others and find enjoyment in life if you’re not at peace with yourself. Do not judge yourself and your feelings but recognize that you will need to commit to change if you truly want it.

For me personally, my happiness is rooted in gratitude. Thankfulness that I’ve been born at the time I was born and inhabiting the space of loving, imperfect people who care for me. My life is much better than what my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents experienced. I am the culmination of their sacrifice and perseverance. I am their dreams come true. This is my North Star that strengthens me when I’m down and helps me remain empathetic and open to others. Be a good friend to others; and you will find they will be friendly to you.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So...people like you? you sound really judgemental man. I know it sounds bad, but I don't want to meet people like me. I really don't like myself right now :) I'm looking for a way out from this state, not a way to settle in. It's like you can't treat depression by hanging out with other depressed people, it'll make you worse. > Since you have no friends(so nothing to hold you where you are, right?), and apparently…

Work on yourself first, buddy. Learn to be happy, then people will naturally enter your life and stick around.

This is the right advice, but it's worth noting how hard this is when you're doing the software dev grind, unless you're one of those people discussed in other threads recently who manages to settle in at a company where they don't really expect much more than 2-3 hours of work per day (not judging, I miss this kind of work)

Working on yourself is a more-than-full-time job, and it can take years of work for someone who's developed so much self-loathing. Hobbies are for people who aren't constantly busy with other obligations. And if you're working in solitude in software full-time, you're going to have a hard time finding a hobby that you can just get laser-focused on, not to mention time for exercise if your hobby isn't athletic.

Re: Ask HN: At a peak of my dev career, I hate my life

#20
The bad news is it sounds like you have absolutely nothing.

The good news is it sounds like you have absolutely nothing.

How I would love to move to Taiwan or Vietnam for six months making my current salary and work remote right now.

Or even one month.

Wouldn’t it be fun to go to Europe, take a train across the continent and work on a laptop.

Or an Airbnb in Barbados.

Who convinced you that you have to stay in this little box at a time when developer jobs are in unlimited supply?

Where did you learn that you have to constrain your options to your local environment only?

And I will tell you: The city and location do matter. You may not be crazy to conclude that only other people like yourself settle for a work / life balance like this in that city.

A small local demographic problem turns into a major existential problem for you. No one young and fun wants to live in a boring ass city, suburb or financial center bereft of culture.

Go to Nashville. Go to Colorado.

I have been very surprised visiting Chicago, for example, at how vibrant and different and friendly people were.

And visiting Austin. Wow, you can go to live music all night for $15 and walk around between bars and there is culture to experience.

Or in Taipei. Woah, people hang out in cafes reading books at 2am at all night bookstores.

If you feel like your life sucks and your environment sucks, it probably does.

Lot of people I know literally just book a ticket and stay in hostels around Japan or Asia or Europe. Cheap, meet people, work remote.

Biggest challenge is going to be your unwillingness to take even the smallest risk. That is on you.

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