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Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#11

Post by sbmsr »

oplav wrote: post #5

I've been exploring 2 alternatives (podman and colima) to replace my normal docker workflow, which is just building and running containers locally, sometimes with docker-compose. I started with podman but had issues with 2 main pieces of my workflow: docker-compose (or podman-compose) and shared volumes (with `run -v`). Switched over to colima and those worked out of the box for me ("brew install docker; brew install…

What drew you to switch up your workflow?

I am on a m1 macbook air and I've been using Docker + Docker Desktop without much issue, and my use-case is a little simpler than yours (only running single containers at a time).

I'm genuinely curious to learn more about what these tools (Colima, podman) help enable. If I'm missing out on a performance boost, I'd definitely check them out.

Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#14

Post by jedisct1 »

InsaneOstrich wrote: post #8

This won't work on the new M1 macs since it uses VirtualBox

Yeah :(

Ever since I switched to an M1, I haven't found a way to reliably build and run x86_64 containers on it.

Docker desktop with Qemu is not just painfully slow, it's also very buggy and some containers just can't be built without crashing.

Is there any alternative?

Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#15

Post by dankirberger »

sbmsr wrote: post #11
oplav wrote: post #5

I've been exploring 2 alternatives (podman and colima) to replace my normal docker workflow, which is just building and running containers locally, sometimes with docker-compose. I started with podman but had issues with 2 main pieces of my workflow: docker-compose (or podman-compose) and shared volumes (with `run -v`). Switched over to colima and those worked out of the box for me ("brew install docker; brew install…

What drew you to switch up your workflow? I am on a m1 macbook air and I've been using Docker + Docker Desktop without much issue, and my use-case is a little simpler than yours (only running single containers at a time). I'm genuinely curious to learn more about what these tools (Colima, podman) help enable. If I'm missing out on a performance boost, I'd definitely check them out.

I suspect it was the docker licensing changes. We're largely switching to Colima at my work too.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28369570

Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#16

Post by qbasic_forever »

sbmsr wrote: post #11
oplav wrote: post #5

I've been exploring 2 alternatives (podman and colima) to replace my normal docker workflow, which is just building and running containers locally, sometimes with docker-compose. I started with podman but had issues with 2 main pieces of my workflow: docker-compose (or podman-compose) and shared volumes (with `run -v`). Switched over to colima and those worked out of the box for me ("brew install docker; brew install…

What drew you to switch up your workflow? I am on a m1 macbook air and I've been using Docker + Docker Desktop without much issue, and my use-case is a little simpler than yours (only running single containers at a time). I'm genuinely curious to learn more about what these tools (Colima, podman) help enable. If I'm missing out on a performance boost, I'd definitely check them out.

In case you missed it the license terms for Docker Desktop have changed and require companies with ~250 employees to start paying for it: https://www.docker.com/blog/updating-product-subscriptions/

Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#17

Post by TameAntelope »

Is there anything complex about setting this up that you'd want to use this, or is this more of a time saver?

I was thinking about doing this, and still might on my own, unless there's some hard problem solved here. Nothing wrong at all with using this, though, very cool!

Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#18

Post by gkop »

rckrd wrote: post #10

One of the past maintainers of minikube here. Minikube, while targeted towards Kubernetes developers, also provides all the features you'd want here. It also takes away most of the pain from virtual machine management w/ native hypervisors. If you're looking for customizability (boot image, docker version, container runtime), minikube is probably your best bet. It even comes with some rudimentary file-sharing and por…

Huh, I thought kind was the spiritual successor to minikube (which I used fondly years ago). When should one reach for minikube over kind today?

Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#19

Post by tluyben2 »

I use only arm images with Docker but I get 100% CPU on my m1 ; on top it says Docker - 100%. Usually it takes a while (few hours) to go from 5% to 100% but it always gets there and the only way to stop it is shutdown Docker desktop and starting it again. It also crashes quite a lot (docker ps will then say Docker is not running and I have to restart Docker desktop to get it back as well). I really like the hardware on this machine but I'm contemplating selling it and getting a Frame.work with Linux just to get rid of this pain. It is a far faster & smoother experience on my 11 year old X220 with Linux than on this m1. I am not sure why this happens; I see many more people have it but there seems to be no clear reason?

Does this help or is the issue lower level?

Re: Docker for Mac Without Docker Desktop

#20

Post by Macha »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #16
sbmsr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What drew you to switch up your workflow? I am on a m1 macbook air and I've been using Docker + Docker Desktop without much issue, and my use-case is a little simpler than yours (only running single containers at a time). I'm genuinely curious to learn more about what these tools (Colima, podman) help enable. If I'm missing out on a performance boost, I'd definitely check them out.

In case you missed it the license terms for Docker Desktop have changed and require companies with ~250 employees to start paying for it: https://www.docker.com/blog/updating-product-subscriptions/

And in those larger companies, just paying for the "coffee a month" may not be an option, since they insist all licenses are company owned and it's less effort to change my docker VM wrapper than get shit past my company's purchasing department in a reasonable amount of time.
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