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What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old?

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Re: What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old?

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A: They get recycled. There aren't many EV battery recycling plants now because there aren't many 15 year old EVs.

Yeah, they go to https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/ or similar. Probably grid -> Redwood. This is not yet a completely solved problem but by the time it's serious it will be solved.

... if solving it is more profitable than shipping the toxic waste to $poor_country.

Re: What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old?

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If the batteries are a significant percentage of the ev's overall value, what happens to the entire goddam car when you have to replace the batteries? Some people blow them up

With Prius batteries, there’s a whole refurb scene where people buy the whole pack, crack it open, find the underperforming cells, and replace those. And that’s for a very small battery. So I would guess the same will be done for EV packs, since “most of the time” the cells will wear unevenly and the whole pack won’t be bad at once. If you do need a pack replacement after 10 years though, you probably get more power…

I forget the exact model, but the manufacturer told some guy who owned a hybrid he needed a new battery. The cars on board diagnostic was saying the battery had no remaining capacity.

He carefully disassembled it, cleaned all the internal junctions, put it back together and the car worked fine afterwards.

Re: What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, they go to https://www.redwoodmaterials.com/ or similar. Probably grid -> Redwood. This is not yet a completely solved problem but by the time it's serious it will be solved.

... if solving it is more profitable than shipping the toxic waste to $poor_country.

Batteries are not like plastic which can be manufactured on the cheap due to the abundant avability of resources. Natural lithium resources are available sparingly and mining it is not substantially easier than recycling it. It's like recycling aluminium and other metals, just the process consumes way more energy than it would be feasible. There are some advances already: https://spectrum.ieee.org/simple-energyefficient-recycling-p...

Re: What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

With Prius batteries, there’s a whole refurb scene where people buy the whole pack, crack it open, find the underperforming cells, and replace those. And that’s for a very small battery. So I would guess the same will be done for EV packs, since “most of the time” the cells will wear unevenly and the whole pack won’t be bad at once. If you do need a pack replacement after 10 years though, you probably get more power…

I doubt car manufacturers would let that happen. They will drm the batteries because safety and you will be forced to buy a new one.

Likely true, though the forbidden refurb batteries could be reused in conversions like these[1]. I am tempted to try a conversion of some silly old car (like my high-school Opel GT) but on the downside you don't get airbags, crumple zones etc. to go with your 21st-century electric motors and batteries...

1: https://electrek.co/2019/08/27/startup-electric-retrofits-te...

Re: What happens when millions of electric car batteries get old?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt car manufacturers would let that happen. They will drm the batteries because safety and you will be forced to buy a new one.

Likely true, though the forbidden refurb batteries could be reused in conversions like these[1]. I am tempted to try a conversion of some silly old car (like my high-school Opel GT) but on the downside you don't get airbags, crumple zones etc. to go with your 21st-century electric motors and batteries... 1: https://electrek.co/2019/08/27/startup-electric-retrofits-te...

I always thought that would be a perfect car for an electric conversion.
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