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My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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I too tried to ditch my smartphone, buying one of the re-released Nokias.

The experiment was DOA, since there was no way of transferring my contacts from the iPhone to the Nokia. Furthermore, Sweden runs on BankID (an electronic id service) and it wasn’t available for the Nokia.

What did work on the other hand, was buying an Apple Watch with cellular. Now my phone is often in my bag/car/house and I’m still reachable via the Apple Watch, but have no way of doom scrolling.

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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I switched from an iPhone to Nokia 515 two years ago and vowed never to go back. If I wrote a blog post like this it would probably just be, "Living smartphone-free in the 2020's is like having a superpower, it's utter joy and freedom and and everyone still with a smartphone is a total sucker." Then a couple of weeks ago I felt the social pressure and lack of a good camera so I bought an iPhone 12 mini. It was awful.…

Does your phone still actually work? You must not be in the US... that is a 3G phone and the 3G networks here are either shut off or in the process of being shut off. https://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_515-5663.php

I'd be very interested in a dumb phone that works in North America.

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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As others have mentioned, this is not really a dumb phone. Sure it puts some more _friction_ into using modern Internet connected services, but you can still basically do everything a modern phone can do (it has a full modern browser). Heck you even get the modern experience of ads everywhere despite the limited screen and memory (the ads are all modal pages)!

In fact, much of the review centers around "smart" features -- things you'd probably need an Internet connection for -- rather than phone features.

For reference, here's a video that shows how KaiOS works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFMu6a7jL54 . I'd say that's pretty smart for a phone! Low resolution non-touch screen, sure. But it has modern website support in case you need it + plenty of communication and SNS apps...

If anything, I'd guess most people are more comfortable ditching the "phone" part of a smartphone (no calls or SMS support) so long as it has Internet. Limiting yourself to no more than WAP-level Internet support (no CSS or JS support at all)? That's the true dumb phone experience.

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this thing supports all popular apps, has Google Assistant, email, cloud sync.. I'd personally define "dumb phone" as one that doesn't use the internet at all, period.

I agree. I guess if you have all those apps, but can't install any further apps, it's a "feature phone".

But in this case you can. KaiOS actually has quite the plethora of apps available and because it has a modern browser engine, you can run modern web apps mostly with no problems (besides the limited resolution / memory).

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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I switched from an iPhone to Nokia 515 two years ago and vowed never to go back. If I wrote a blog post like this it would probably just be, "Living smartphone-free in the 2020's is like having a superpower, it's utter joy and freedom and and everyone still with a smartphone is a total sucker." Then a couple of weeks ago I felt the social pressure and lack of a good camera so I bought an iPhone 12 mini. It was awful.…

The 515 is gorgeous too

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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I switched from an iPhone to Nokia 515 two years ago and vowed never to go back. If I wrote a blog post like this it would probably just be, "Living smartphone-free in the 2020's is like having a superpower, it's utter joy and freedom and and everyone still with a smartphone is a total sucker." Then a couple of weeks ago I felt the social pressure and lack of a good camera so I bought an iPhone 12 mini. It was awful.…

Out of curiosity, what was awful about the recent iPhone experience?

My feeling is that tools should be transparent in their use, as in, when you use a hammer to hit a nail, the hammer essentially disappears. And while I think the iPhone of Steve Jobs was like this, I'm pretty sure that Apple intends the trajectory of the iPhone now to be less like a tool and more like an assistant, e.g. it should offer suggestions, preempt your actions, that it should "think for you". It makes it feel like there's a third-party (Apple/Siri) stuck in between me and other people. This feeling has probably crept up gradually enough that most people with smartphones don't notice it, but going from a dumb-phone to smartphone was like being hit with a hammer.

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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The particular Nokia device mentioned in this article is now a little out of date. It will not receive any new updates. The Google service might even stop working on it (depending on where you live). The author will soon be quite upset. The next version of KaiOS is on the way, sans Google services, but with baked in FB and Twitter.

For the gadget tweakers, this device can be "hacked" a little and have alternative apps loaded (and bloatware removed) so that is a plus. Its sister device, the Nokia 800 Tough, is also tweakable and can be set up so the batter lasts 4 to 5 days (getting rid of all bloatware and making it an SMS/Telephone will do that to most phones though).

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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I too tried to ditch my smartphone, buying one of the re-released Nokias. The experiment was DOA, since there was no way of transferring my contacts from the iPhone to the Nokia. Furthermore, Sweden runs on BankID (an electronic id service) and it wasn’t available for the Nokia. What did work on the other hand, was buying an Apple Watch with cellular. Now my phone is often in my bag/car/house and I’m still reachable…

Correct me if I’m wrong but you can do BankID with a chip and pin device from the major banks?

When I first got BankID it was not tied to my phone and it was a lot of hassle to figure out how to make that the case with Handelsbanken (my bank at the time).

Much easier with Nordea, nordea having greater English support (though not amazing) and a much better web interface (bordering amazing when compared with Handelsbanken).

Re: My first three months with a Nokia dumb phone as a daily driver

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I switched from an iPhone to Nokia 515 two years ago and vowed never to go back. If I wrote a blog post like this it would probably just be, "Living smartphone-free in the 2020's is like having a superpower, it's utter joy and freedom and and everyone still with a smartphone is a total sucker." Then a couple of weeks ago I felt the social pressure and lack of a good camera so I bought an iPhone 12 mini. It was awful.…

How do you deal with getting around (public transit timing, driving directions/traffic, uber/lyft) without a smartphone?

You'd be surprised how capable your brain is when you just trust it to remember directions. A couple of times when going to a place I've not been before I've drawn a little map, but you can always ask someone for directions to a specific street. It's actually a nice feeling to find your own way when there's the possibility of getting lost.

Buses and trains have their times at the stops/stations, or for less trafficked routes I just check on my computer and remember when I need to go.

Uber/Lyft are vile and I don't use them.

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