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Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

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Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

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From the last discussion: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-t... The BMJ is not the shining city on the hill here. You can have problems with Facebook policing information, but Thacker is unquestionably an anti-vax conspiracy theorist and the BMJ is allowing him to use their reputation to push that narrative.

It states that Thacker has been double vaccinated with Pfizer vaccine. Anti-vax conspiracy theorist? That is clearly nonsense.

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

#13

From the last discussion: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-t... The BMJ is not the shining city on the hill here. You can have problems with Facebook policing information, but Thacker is unquestionably an anti-vax conspiracy theorist and the BMJ is allowing him to use their reputation to push that narrative.

Then there will be response articles which expose those errors as such, a consensus will be reached and we will move on to other issues. That is the nature of scientific discourse. Expecting everyone to shut up just because you shout "ANTIVAX" is not.

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

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Frankly, if I were the BMJ I would start contacting lawyers and issuing writs. I'm unsure of exactly what or where or how , but the principle that peer-reviewed scientific articles are being shadowbanned as "false" and unshareable by a for-profit, unqualified US organisation is...deeply offensive. A large lawsuit by an organisation such as the BMJ (an impact factor 40 journal first published in its current form in ab…

"If you mix science and politics, you get politics"

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

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post #8

Frankly, if I were the BMJ I would start contacting lawyers and issuing writs. I'm unsure of exactly what or where or how , but the principle that peer-reviewed scientific articles are being shadowbanned as "false" and unshareable by a for-profit, unqualified US organisation is...deeply offensive. A large lawsuit by an organisation such as the BMJ (an impact factor 40 journal first published in its current form in ab…

Just to clarify, the article in question is not a scientific paper in BMJ. It's a feature, so pretty much like a regular news article.

On the article in question:

> Footnotes

> Provenance and peer review: commissioned; externally peer reviewed.

While it is an article, it has (in theory) been peer reviewed.

Compare that to this article:

> Provenance and peer review: Commissioned; not externally reviewed.

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

#16

From the last discussion: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-t... The BMJ is not the shining city on the hill here. You can have problems with Facebook policing information, but Thacker is unquestionably an anti-vax conspiracy theorist and the BMJ is allowing him to use their reputation to push that narrative.

Statements from the company that did the fact checking

- https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021/11/fact-check-britis...

- https://leadstories.com/analysis/2021/12/lead-stories-respon...

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

#17
The BMJ itself tightly controls who can say what on its platform, and that is precisely why it gained its reputation.

Granted, Facebook is supposed to be more open for everyone, but it’s still their platform, their reputation, and they can decide what to filter - and people can decide to take their discussions somewhere else.

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

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Lead Stories falsely defamed The BMJ by referring to their story as a hoax and creating a headline that says they were wrong without actually refuting anything. They then hide behind the “missing context” label which sounds innocent enough but they did far more than that.

There is something very dangerous about wanting to discuss a serious issue seriously and being squelched because it doesn’t fit some narrative.

I’ve personally had three shots from Pfizer, I’ve had them administered to my children and I want to hear if there are possible issues with them from reputable sources without those reputable sources being shut down by self-appointed information police.

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

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post #13

From the last discussion: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-t... The BMJ is not the shining city on the hill here. You can have problems with Facebook policing information, but Thacker is unquestionably an anti-vax conspiracy theorist and the BMJ is allowing him to use their reputation to push that narrative.

Then there will be response articles which expose those errors as such, a consensus will be reached and we will move on to other issues. That is the nature of scientific discourse. Expecting everyone to shut up just because you shout "ANTIVAX" is not.

We all know it this ideal of "just debunk it" doesn't work. Not just because a correction doesn't have the same reach, but because one audience will actively reject and ignore the evidence and then continue using the article on social media as "evidence" itself.

Re: Facebook versus The BMJ: when fact checking goes wrong

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, the article in question is not a scientific paper in BMJ. It's a feature, so pretty much like a regular news article.

On the article in question: > Footnotes > Provenance and peer review: commissioned; externally peer reviewed. While it is an article, it has (in theory) been peer reviewed. Compare that to this article: > Provenance and peer review: Commissioned; not externally reviewed.

Interesting, but really hard to interpret what that means in this case. Peer review is for scientific content, and there is no science in this article. It's investigative reporting, so this would require an entirely different kind of review, and probably not one by scientists.
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