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Re: Extremist content on Reddit, Discord worrying trend for young adults in India

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Post by robbedpeter »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #5
cybarDOTlive wrote: post #2

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So allow open lies and open hate?

Yeah. Otherwise, who decides? Nobody is qualified to define allowable speech and thinking. Exceptions to any attempt at sets of "allowable speech" rules are trivially produced.

Concepts like hate and lies are vague and nebulous. The best you can do to prevent actual harm in the real world is allow unfettered speech and discussion.

Speech is thinking. Non-consensual thought control is evil. Consensual speech and discussion comprises culture - if you have a problem with what other people think and say, the ethical, moral mechanism to rectify that problem is called conversation.

People are always going to have different ideas than you. Sometimes those ideas will be repugnant to you. It is more repugnant to decide that your own thoughts are the only ones allowed.

You don't get to decide what people think and say. Other people don't get to decide that for you.

Re: Extremist content on Reddit, Discord worrying trend for young adults in India

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Post by worthless-trash »

supperburg wrote: post #10

When I see “worrying” or “problematic” in an article headline I know I can safely ignore it

"Problematic" is the 2019-2020 catchphrase which roughly translates to 'Things that dont actually matter, but we want the pageviews'.

Re: Extremist content on Reddit, Discord worrying trend for young adults in India

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Post by worthless-trash »

cybarDOTlive wrote: post #4
eynsham wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to generalise just as much as you accuse ‘people who lash out at right wing thinking’ of doing. There are plenty of people who dislike right wing ideas and comprehend that other people make different value judgements. And it’s far from clear that precisely all of them ‘have no fucking clue’—or even what that means: is this some balance fallacy nonsense?

What?

There isn't any point telling this poster he's wrong, you'll just alienate him further.

Re: Extremist content on Reddit, Discord worrying trend for young adults in India

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Post by cebert »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #5
cybarDOTlive wrote: post #2

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So allow open lies and open hate?

As much as I don’t like it, I think this is the best idea. This way ideas can be discussed and debated and light can be shed in areas otherwise hidden.

Re: Extremist content on Reddit, Discord worrying trend for young adults in India

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Post by stjohnswarts »

robbedpeter wrote: post #11
kevin_b_er wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So allow open lies and open hate?

Yeah. Otherwise, who decides? Nobody is qualified to define allowable speech and thinking. Exceptions to any attempt at sets of "allowable speech" rules are trivially produced. Concepts like hate and lies are vague and nebulous. The best you can do to prevent actual harm in the real world is allow unfettered speech and discussion. Speech is thinking. Non-consensual thought control is evil. Consensual speech and discu…

Reddit/Discord are not “open opinion” platforms. They are businesses. If they don't like what you're saying then they should kick you off, especially when advocating for violence and spreading fascism. You are free to start your own business and proceed to pick up where the conversation left off on your own platform, at least until the government comes knocking and asking about why you are supporting violence and sedition. That's the beauty of the free market.

Re: Extremist content on Reddit, Discord worrying trend for young adults in India

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Post by stjohnswarts »

geofft wrote: post #7
cybarDOTlive wrote: post #2

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If these ideologies are both extreme and irreconcilable, why is it my ideology that has to shut itself up and let their ideology flourish? If our ideas are outlandish to each other, what is the goal of conversation in the public spaces, unless one side is willing to give up their ideology? If we look at each other in disgust, why is my disgust invalid?

What makes you think reddit and discord have to host your ideology if they don't agree with it?

Re: Extremist content on Reddit, Discord worrying trend for young adults in India

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Post by geofft »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #19
geofft wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If these ideologies are both extreme and irreconcilable, why is it my ideology that has to shut itself up and let their ideology flourish? If our ideas are outlandish to each other, what is the goal of conversation in the public spaces, unless one side is willing to give up their ideology? If we look at each other in disgust, why is my disgust invalid?

What makes you think reddit and discord have to host your ideology if they don't agree with it?

Nothing. But my ideology is mainstream, and it is incompatible with the other one. The other ideology can have Voat. Why should they also have Reddit?
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