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Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

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Post by CharlesW »

natch wrote: post #6

These people's reading comprehension is atrocious. Tesla's FSD does not exist yet. A beta product is not the same as a product. Yes one can pre-pay for the product and get some features now, but actual FSD is simply not here yet. By "actual FSD" I mean something that is non-beta and actually does full self driving, in case that needs to be spelled out. Boy.

> Tesla's FSD does not exist yet.

Someone should tell Telsa!

"The complimentary FSD computer upgrade for owners with Full Self-Driving capability is now available."

https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer

Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

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Post by ben_w »

spiderice wrote: post #7
waffle_maniac wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FSD needs a permanent recall. I don't consent to alpha software being used on roads.

Why do you think your consent is necessary or relevant? You do consent, by driving on the roads with them. "I don't consent to sharing the road with large SUVs" Did I just make large SUVs illegal?

> You do consent, by driving on the roads with them.

That’s not how consent works. Implied consent doesn’t override explicit refusal of consent.

> Did I just make large SUVs illegal?

No, but you could reasonably infer that you want them to be made so.

Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

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Post by ben_w »

CharlesW wrote: post #11
natch wrote: post #6

These people's reading comprehension is atrocious. Tesla's FSD does not exist yet. A beta product is not the same as a product. Yes one can pre-pay for the product and get some features now, but actual FSD is simply not here yet. By "actual FSD" I mean something that is non-beta and actually does full self driving, in case that needs to be spelled out. Boy.

> Tesla's FSD does not exist yet. Someone should tell Telsa! "The complimentary FSD computer upgrade for owners with Full Self-Driving capability is now available." https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer

Quite a lot of people have told Tesla to choose a better name for the feature, precisely because the name implies greater capabilities than the it actually has.

It’s good, but it’s not good enough for that name to not be misleading.

Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

#15

Post by tyrfing »

guardiangod wrote: post #2

Dumb stunt- has a critical safety malfunction on average every 8 minutes; has been on the market for at least 6 months; has never been recalled. Have they tried Ford's self driving system on the Mach-E, and see how it auto-disengages when a highway curved more than what the system can handle? Would that count as a critical safety malfunction? I'd never use FSD in its current state, but FSD had plenty of recalls by wa…

None of these systems are "self driving", and Tesla is the only company I've seen falsely advertise their system as capable of such. Ford's BlueCruise, for example, requires the driver to watch the road, and seems to be pretty accurately advertised: https://www.consumerreports.org/driver-assistance-systems/fo...

Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

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Post by waffle_maniac »

ben_w wrote: post #9
waffle_maniac wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FSD needs a permanent recall. I don't consent to alpha software being used on roads.

I appreciate the sentiment, especially given the types of failure mode, but the stats (such as they are) indicate the cars are safer with it switched on than without it. To the extent that it’s possible to know anything, it looks like it makes cars less unsafe.

It looks like that because they only release FSD to Tesla cult members that know the software is dangerous. Once they start rolling out to lower safety scores (i.e. normal people) the suicide missions will begin.

Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

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Post by icapulet2 »

ben_w wrote: post #9
waffle_maniac wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FSD needs a permanent recall. I don't consent to alpha software being used on roads.

I appreciate the sentiment, especially given the types of failure mode, but the stats (such as they are) indicate the cars are safer with it switched on than without it. To the extent that it’s possible to know anything, it looks like it makes cars less unsafe.

The data comes from Tesla, not from third party investigators. The minimal data from third parties, like Consumer Reports, says it's shit outside of highway use (which is the safest kind of road to travel on already).

Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

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Post by natch »

CharlesW wrote: post #11
natch wrote: post #6

These people's reading comprehension is atrocious. Tesla's FSD does not exist yet. A beta product is not the same as a product. Yes one can pre-pay for the product and get some features now, but actual FSD is simply not here yet. By "actual FSD" I mean something that is non-beta and actually does full self driving, in case that needs to be spelled out. Boy.

> Tesla's FSD does not exist yet. Someone should tell Telsa! "The complimentary FSD computer upgrade for owners with Full Self-Driving capability is now available." https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer

Cute, but having the "capability"...

as in, will be capable of FSD in the future when the software is ready...

...does not mean that the functionality has come out of beta.

Re: $10K to whoever can show a Fortune 500 product is less reliable than Tesla's FSD

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Post by kjreact »

natch wrote: post #19
CharlesW wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla's FSD does not exist yet. Someone should tell Telsa! "The complimentary FSD computer upgrade for owners with Full Self-Driving capability is now available." https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer

Cute, but having the "capability"... as in, will be capable of FSD in the future when the software is ready... ...does not mean that the functionality has come out of beta.

Where does it say on Tesla’s official FSD page that it is still in beta?

Also why would I assume that the software is only ready in the future when it says “The complimentary FSD computer upgrade for owners with Full Self-Driving capability is now available.”

What part of “available now” is meant to imply it’s ready in the future?

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