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This is less about democracy and more about basic human decency and human rights.
Everyone should have the right not to be abused by the rich and powerful.
Tek Fog in Action: Targeting Women Journalists
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not a fan of any of our political parties because they are all crooks. Having said that, I don't consider The Wire to be a dispassionate source when it involves he who you don't want to name. I'm not interested in who wins the election because I can count on any government to negatively impact my life by eroding my ability to support myself and my family through taxation, corruption and government ineptitude. Ou…
The story is unbelievable- in that this is the way tech is being employed. It’s a combination of the most sinister and banal at the same time. It’s having an auto complete feature for creating better hate speech. The politics is one thing the tech is another.
Politics is how power is distributed, and technology enables power.
They're intrinsically linked
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#13OP - don’t take it personal if this thread is flagged and removed from the front page. Yes, it is interesting and yes it has a fascinating tech angle to it. Especially interesting for me is how easily subverted social media is with the right tech. But you know who this is indirectly critical of even if he is not mentioned. There are enough devotees of that person on HN that every thread tangentially involving him bec…
I am not a fan of any of our political parties because they are all crooks. Having said that, I don't consider The Wire to be a dispassionate source when it involves he who you don't want to name. I'm not interested in who wins the election because I can count on any government to negatively impact my life by eroding my ability to support myself and my family through taxation, corruption and government ineptitude. Ou…
> enjoying above 75% popularity in the general population.
What is that number based on? Their vote share in the 2019 general elections was ~37%.
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Democracy works better as you allow more people to participate.
White, protestant only democracy screws over people that aren't white protestants
Really, democracy shares some problems with capitalism; it relies on people be homo economicus instead of homo sapiens. That people will vote for what's objectively best for themselves, instead of for their in-group and against their out-group
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#15Tek fog is essentially automated trolling used to target political opponents.
The previous articles by TheWire on this were of better quality and didn't seem to stretch facts to push a narrative.
They have given no evidence that only women journalists were targeted primarily.
They sound like one of the opinion pieces saying "Hurricane Katrina strikes ..., women specifically targeted/affected".
I will note that regardless of my criticism of the linked article, I agree that Tek Fog can have significantly adverse impact on the quality of discourse and whether its usage is legal is something that needs to be brought to the court.
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Let's see: The Nordics are mostly atheist, Ireland is majority Catholic and Japan would definitely like a word about being white.
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Democracy works better as you allow more people to participate. White, protestant only democracy screws over people that aren't white protestants Really, democracy shares some problems with capitalism; it relies on people be homo economicus instead of homo sapiens. That people will vote for what's objectively best for themselves, instead of for their in-group and against their out-group
I agree with your first two statements.
It feels like your third comment is more commonly made by the people fighting to keep democratic power to a smaller group.
There is a theory that the first and second world wars (and a bunch of other bad stuff) can be traced fairly directly to anti-democratic propaganda of this type.
The protocol of the elders of Zion is one famous example initially fabricated by monarchists to explain how democracy is actually scary and bad and foreign, the illuminati are still a classic conspiracy feature because they were interested in democracy. It's also interesting that greater democracy was forced on Germany after WW2 to stop repeats, so at least some people at the time and close to the situation seem to agree with this thesis.
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#18OP - don’t take it personal if this thread is flagged and removed from the front page. Yes, it is interesting and yes it has a fascinating tech angle to it. Especially interesting for me is how easily subverted social media is with the right tech. But you know who this is indirectly critical of even if he is not mentioned. There are enough devotees of that person on HN that every thread tangentially involving him bec…
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#19I don't usually post on political topics with my main account but the title is confusing and is in my opinion misleading.
The Tek Fog app, according to this report, targets people including women journalist who are critical of current PM of India or the Party BJP.
Most journalists in India are not critical of PM Modi but a few of them are, and in fact you will never find this report on the Indian MSM.
A better title would be:
Tek Fog targeting Anti-BJ/ Anti-Modi journalists in India.
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#20Regardless of the current iteration. Regardless of this specific tech capability and how it is currently used in this specific country I am asking myself how a society can protect itself against this.
If topics are manufactured and outrage is being artificially generated in that fashion classic media will probably jump onto the bandwagon because doing so will increase advertising clicks and views. It will increase revenue for said media outlets. Also social networks have every incentive to not quell these things as they drive engagement and with that advertising revenues. The same for video platforms. Basically (nearly) any ad driven revenue stream will want to participate. Thos will be adding fuel to the fire and just increase the reach of the fabricated stories as well as the outrage and the accompanying division of societies. Creating measures to effectively quell such things on the other hand will (nearly) inevitably create measures of mass censorship that once implemented will one day be abused because I have yet to see an example of humans not using any weapon/means to further their agenda.
So the question remains what societies, as well as everybody for themselves, can do to protect themselves against these forms of manipulations.
I have to admit that I do not have a good idea what could work. And what the side effects of doing something (as well as not doing something) could be.