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The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Post by oakeyoakdeyz »

dekhn wrote: post #10
oakeyoakdeyz wrote: post #7

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Vaccine mandates by the government are legal but there are restrictions. Jacobson vs. Massachuestts, but of course, see today's ruling (which is being misreported; it's correct that OSHA doesn't ahve the latitude to do this, but the president has the absolute right to vaccine mandates nationally. he just hasn't done it, and given the omicron experience, I doubt he will). I'm not sure why those cities have those polic…

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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dekhn wrote: post #6
odshoifsdhfs wrote: post #4

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Not the op, and didn't read the link, so no clue what it's validity. BUT will say again, I am pro vaccines and vaccinated, but I still think the possible side effects are being downplayed in the media/state. I posted in another thread, but after one month, I am still having issues that are for sure linked to my booster shot. No-one told me about any of these possible side effects, but after suffering from them, and t…

The issue of side effects being downplayed by the media is entirely a response by public health and media to the large amount of disinformation about vaccines. It was a calculus that was identified and decided on quite some time ago- the reasoning being most people need to hear a simple, straightforward and consistent message to be compliant. The media and public health leadership has to work on a very thin "knife's…

> The issue of side effects being downplayed by the media is entirely a response by public health and media to the large amount of disinformation about vaccines.

That's your personal belief that may or may not be representative of reality.

Another possible belief that one might have, that you can find evidence for in reality, is that side effects are being downplayed in order to push vaccine mandates through as a way of exerting political control and/or profits for certain organizations (e.g. Pfizer, which has done a lot of extremely questionable things in the past, like a lot of large pharma companies).

> the reasoning being most people need to hear a simple, straightforward and consistent message to be compliant.

...and this line only adds more evidence to the second belief, as it's exactly what entities wanting control want - people to be "compliant" for its own sake, regardless of reality, ethics, or reason.

In any case, downplaying the side effects is unethical and obviously wrong.

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Post by dekhn »

oakeyoakdeyz wrote: post #11
dekhn wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccine mandates by the government are legal but there are restrictions. Jacobson vs. Massachuestts, but of course, see today's ruling (which is being misreported; it's correct that OSHA doesn't ahve the latitude to do this, but the president has the absolute right to vaccine mandates nationally. he just hasn't done it, and given the omicron experience, I doubt he will). I'm not sure why those cities have those polic…

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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oakeyoakdeyz wrote: post #11
dekhn wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccine mandates by the government are legal but there are restrictions. Jacobson vs. Massachuestts, but of course, see today's ruling (which is being misreported; it's correct that OSHA doesn't ahve the latitude to do this, but the president has the absolute right to vaccine mandates nationally. he just hasn't done it, and given the omicron experience, I doubt he will). I'm not sure why those cities have those polic…

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Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Post by throw10920 »

dekhn wrote: post #2

I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

> I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this

Here's a good reason: because there's no obvious reason why the vaccine should result in immune-mediated hepatitis (unlike, say, an immune response after receiving it, which is both explainable and (somewhat) desirable). HN is about curiosity and novelty, and this is curious indeed.

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Post by dekhn »

throw10920 wrote: post #12
dekhn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue of side effects being downplayed by the media is entirely a response by public health and media to the large amount of disinformation about vaccines. It was a calculus that was identified and decided on quite some time ago- the reasoning being most people need to hear a simple, straightforward and consistent message to be compliant. The media and public health leadership has to work on a very thin "knife's…

> The issue of side effects being downplayed by the media is entirely a response by public health and media to the large amount of disinformation about vaccines. That's your personal belief that may or may not be representative of reality. Another possible belief that one might have, that you can find evidence for in reality, is that side effects are being downplayed in order to push vaccine mandates through as a way…

If downplaying side effects had an overall greater outcome, would it be unethical and "obviously wrong"?

Nothing is truly obviously wrong. In fact many things we think are obviously wrong, aren't. The ethics of these sorts of things are truly nontrivial.

If you're suggesting we have hte vaccine policies we do so that pfizer etc profit, well I doubt I am going to convince you otherwise. I work in pharma, have a pretty good understanding of our leadership's thought patterns, and I think the vast majority of them would more than happily take a business loss if it meant the world became healthier, but they'd rather keep doing their research and development in the meantime.

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Post by dekhn »

throw10920 wrote: post #15
dekhn wrote: post #2

I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this. IE, what's the ulterior motive? Is your goal to reduce trust in vaccines? A good faith attempt to show that there are a very small but detectable number of adverse outcomes from vaccines? Whatever it is: a paper like this doesn't demonstrate anything like that. It's a case observation with n=1 and it actually shows nothing of the sort. It's as close to…

> I have trouble understanding why people post articles like this Here's a good reason: because there's no obvious reason why the vaccine should result in immune-mediated hepatitis (unlike, say, an immune response after receiving it, which is both explainable and (somewhat) desirable). HN is about curiosity and novelty, and this is curious indeed.

From an n=1 study? it's far more likely to be spurious noise than real.

Re: The Moderna vaccine can cause immune-mediated hepatitis

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Post by oakeyoakdeyz »

0x500x79 wrote: post #8
tomohawk wrote: post #3

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People post for many reasons other than because they want to push a narrative. Perhaps its just interesting and they want to see what people say. Interesting things are worth posting even when you may not agree with it or even know anything about it. Posting is like asking, "what do HNers think about this?"

Maybe, this is also a new user pushing a bare minimum paper with a headline that denotes safety issues with the vaccine. We should be actively looking for scientific outlook, but the top of this comment chain is correct in asking questions about the motives when we see stuff like this pop-up continually on HN from groups of people.

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