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Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

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Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

#11

Good advice for anyone.

It's good advice for diplomats and such. Most people are of no interest to China; why is this warning being given to athletes? Who wants to compromise them? How?

It might be a bad look on the athletes country if they were to find nudes or something, for lack of a better example. Blackmail in general.

Sometimes that doesn’t matter though, such as the Sukarno sextape.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-cia-and-kgb-tried-to-bl...

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

#12
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good advice for diplomats and such. Most people are of no interest to China; why is this warning being given to athletes? Who wants to compromise them? How?

It might be a bad look on the athletes country if they were to find nudes or something, for lack of a better example. Blackmail in general. Sometimes that doesn’t matter though, such as the Sukarno sextape. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-cia-and-kgb-tried-to-bl...

> for lack of a better example

That's pretty much the point I'm making.

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

#13
Only the Dutch can spy on the Dutch...they can't afford others to do the same...

"Dutch civil servants used social media to spy on citizens, says study" https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/19/dutch-civil-servants-use...

"Netherlands: End dangerous mass surveillance policing experiments" https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/09/netherlands-e...

"The Netherlands, a surveillance state?" https://www.ictrecht.nl/en/blog/the-netherlands-a-surveillan...

"Watchdog: New law lets gov't spy on "all Dutch people"" https://nltimes.nl/2015/09/01/watchdog-new-law-lets-govt-spy...

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

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post #2

I wonder if their next phones will be Made in Netherlands, or where will they buy them from to avoid spyware built into the firmware straight out of factory. This is the kind of half baked decisions that show how those on the decision chain aren't deep into security and only are into it for the news.

It's mitigation. If a SLA wants into a specific phone they can likely do it (whether using NSOGroup or more upstream means).

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

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post #2

I wonder if their next phones will be Made in Netherlands, or where will they buy them from to avoid spyware built into the firmware straight out of factory. This is the kind of half baked decisions that show how those on the decision chain aren't deep into security and only are into it for the news.

A large OS vendor issues its employees special hardened laptops for accessing any systems containing customer data. They have a very elaborate and inconvenient setup that's supposed to make them super-secure. The laptops are shipped directly from Lenovo in China. I asked the guy who was presenting this scheme how they know they aren't compromised from the factory, and he shrugged. I'm not sure what that means.

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

#16

Good advice for anyone.

It's good advice for diplomats and such. Most people are of no interest to China; why is this warning being given to athletes? Who wants to compromise them? How?

Diplomats are protected by the Vienna Convention -- although in practise, I assume many take significant precautions. They must protect against ordinary loss and theft anyway.

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

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post #2

I wonder if their next phones will be Made in Netherlands, or where will they buy them from to avoid spyware built into the firmware straight out of factory. This is the kind of half baked decisions that show how those on the decision chain aren't deep into security and only are into it for the news.

There are phones made in South Korea, India, Vietnam, Japan, Thailand and Taiwan.

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

#19
Well, if you are lets say Politically exposed person (PEP) or holder of any kind of significant wealth, power or influence, this applies to pretty much any country definitely including US. For Android/iOS that's +-already covered with NSA and god knows what lurks in firmwares of ie network controllers in laptops.

Smart move is not this kind of (even if well deserved in this case) fearmongering of specific country, but sobering/smarting up and not putting any kind of sensitive data on blackbox devices with free access to internet.

Happy to live my insignificant middle class life and not be even a bit bothered by this kind of crap. And even with full access to my phone there is nothing really bad that can be done to me / my family.

Re: Dutch athletes warned to keep phones and laptops out of China

#20

So what’s the solution? Take a clean device and then connect it to online services from China? Or are they advising against that ad well? Presumably this is about physical device searches and not the safety of internet access in general.

Yes. Take in clean devices, and dispose of them when you leave. And don't do anything sensitive while you are there.
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