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A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

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Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#11

Post by gamblor956 »

MathYouF wrote: post #7

I'm currently hiring for two roles for Three.js developers for my company to be my teammates (hit me up if you're intersted btw!). We work very hard and care a lot about our project. A person I took over the project from didn't and it showed, they probably considered it a "bullshit" job. The author of this article is applying to roles they consider "bullshit" jobs and is wondering why no one is hiring. Maybe it's bec…

If you had read the entire (very long) comic strip, you would know (a) this is not an article that has been linked and (b) that she isn't applying to bullshit jobs, and (c) her issue is being expected to care for a job like it's the most important thing in the universe from the get-go while the companies she applies to literally couldn't care less about her even though she matches or exceeds the skill requirements listed in the job postings.

Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#12

Post by dfghdfhs »

Winterflow3r wrote: post #5

Even though I feel very very fortunate to work in tech, I'm starting to feel more and more of this energy as I stare down the barrel of endless whiteboarding and leetcode style interviews :( Won't name the company, but during my last round of interviews I was asked to build a logging app, which took a considerable amount of time only to be completely ghosted. After I repeatedly asked for a follow-up, they sent me a l…

I think we should stop this "I won't name the company" bullshit.

Why won't you name them, exactly?

Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#14

Post by monkaiju »

MathYouF wrote: post #7

I'm currently hiring for two roles for Three.js developers for my company to be my teammates (hit me up if you're intersted btw!). We work very hard and care a lot about our project. A person I took over the project from didn't and it showed, they probably considered it a "bullshit" job. The author of this article is applying to roles they consider "bullshit" jobs and is wondering why no one is hiring. Maybe it's bec…

Oh man, I almost cannot imagine someone I would want to avoid as a teammate as much as you... Didn't even read the article...

Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#15

Post by MathYouF »

gamblor956 wrote: post #11
MathYouF wrote: post #7

I'm currently hiring for two roles for Three.js developers for my company to be my teammates (hit me up if you're intersted btw!). We work very hard and care a lot about our project. A person I took over the project from didn't and it showed, they probably considered it a "bullshit" job. The author of this article is applying to roles they consider "bullshit" jobs and is wondering why no one is hiring. Maybe it's bec…

If you had read the entire (very long) comic strip, you would know (a) this is not an article that has been linked and (b) that she isn't applying to bullshit jobs, and (c) her issue is being expected to care for a job like it's the most important thing in the universe from the get-go while the companies she applies to literally couldn't care less about her even though she matches or exceeds the skill requirements li…

I admit I had only read the title:

"I have sent hundreds of applications, competing with thousands for yet another ‘bullshit job’. And like many, I’ve had enough"

and seen it was a lengthy comic.

I have now taken the time to read the entire comic. My advice for this person hasn't changed substantially. They seem to have few rare and marketable skills, just a lifetime of employment in what they consider "BS" jobs, and are now wondering why they aren't receiving responses from companies looking for skilled workers to do meaningful jobs.

It still reeks of the exact kind of self inflicted cynicism that I wouldn't want to have in a coworker. I'm happy to discuss specifics though if there's a nuance in it you think my advice missed.

Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#16

Post by MathYouF »

monkaiju wrote: post #14
MathYouF wrote: post #7

I'm currently hiring for two roles for Three.js developers for my company to be my teammates (hit me up if you're intersted btw!). We work very hard and care a lot about our project. A person I took over the project from didn't and it showed, they probably considered it a "bullshit" job. The author of this article is applying to roles they consider "bullshit" jobs and is wondering why no one is hiring. Maybe it's bec…

Oh man, I almost cannot imagine someone I would want to avoid as a teammate as much as you... Didn't even read the article...

Sounds fair, not everyone is everyone else's cup of tea, I have my preferences and you have yours. I have read the "comic" at this point and the cynical attitude towards work without requisite personal effort to apply only to meaningful jobs and invest in learning the skills for them is as I'd expected from the headline.

I personally turned down a lucrative "bs" job after college to do work I considered meaningful, and was nearly homeless many times for the several years I worked on it. I now have the skills from those years of refusing to do "bs" work and instead focusing on work I personally considered meaningful, even when the few who offered employment doing it then wouldn't hire me. The comic doesn't seem to demonstrate them having done anything but trying to "get in" on the easy money from "bs" jobs and being disappointed they can't.

Seeing from your profile you seem to be trying your best to help create meaningful and balanced work lives for people, I hope you continue to succeed in helping people do so!

Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#17

Post by gamblor956 »

MathYouF wrote: post #15
gamblor956 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had read the entire (very long) comic strip, you would know (a) this is not an article that has been linked and (b) that she isn't applying to bullshit jobs, and (c) her issue is being expected to care for a job like it's the most important thing in the universe from the get-go while the companies she applies to literally couldn't care less about her even though she matches or exceeds the skill requirements li…

I admit I had only read the title: "I have sent hundreds of applications, competing with thousands for yet another ‘bullshit job’. And like many, I’ve had enough" and seen it was a lengthy comic. I have now taken the time to read the entire comic. My advice for this person hasn't changed substantially. They seem to have few rare and marketable skills, just a lifetime of employment in what they consider "BS" jobs, and…

You clearly skipped over the part where she talks about the 9 years she spent teaching, getting to work early and leaving late and working additional hours after getting home.

And the part where she talks about not needing a glamorous job, just one where she can make a difference without having to pretend like she's saving the world.

My advice to you: stop being so judgmental. Based on your other comments, you implement Three.js into projects. What you do is not going to change the world, and stop expecting your future co-workers to sacrifice their lives for a job that ultimately isn't that meaningful in the big (or even little) scheme of things. TBH, you come across as the kind of boss/coworker that millions of people quit their jobs last quarter to get away from.

Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#18

Post by MathYouF »

gamblor956 wrote: post #17
MathYouF wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I admit I had only read the title: "I have sent hundreds of applications, competing with thousands for yet another ‘bullshit job’. And like many, I’ve had enough" and seen it was a lengthy comic. I have now taken the time to read the entire comic. My advice for this person hasn't changed substantially. They seem to have few rare and marketable skills, just a lifetime of employment in what they consider "BS" jobs, and…

You clearly skipped over the part where she talks about the 9 years she spent teaching, getting to work early and leaving late and working additional hours after getting home. And the part where she talks about not needing a glamorous job, just one where she can make a difference without having to pretend like she's saving the world. My advice to you: stop being so judgmental. Based on your other comments, you implem…

For others, who are interested in good faith conversations about the problem with people applying to work they call "bs jobs", the point is finding work you as an individual consider meaningful, and learning the skills to do them.

Those who tell you you're "not saving the world" and therefore your work is bs and therefore you should be as disillusioned and cynical as they are, if it's say delivering food, are also complaining that they can't get a bs job as well so they can get money so that you can deliver food to them. It's entitlement, plain and simple. Their main attack is to tell others their work is also meaningless while demanding still the outputs of that "meaningless" labor.

Re: A letter to all the bosses I’ve begged for a job

#19

Post by ethanwillis »

MathYouF wrote: post #18
gamblor956 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly skipped over the part where she talks about the 9 years she spent teaching, getting to work early and leaving late and working additional hours after getting home. And the part where she talks about not needing a glamorous job, just one where she can make a difference without having to pretend like she's saving the world. My advice to you: stop being so judgmental. Based on your other comments, you implem…

For others, who are interested in good faith conversations about the problem with people applying to work they call "bs jobs", the point is finding work you as an individual consider meaningful, and learning the skills to do them. Those who tell you you're "not saving the world" and therefore your work is bs and therefore you should be as disillusioned and cynical as they are, if it's say delivering food, are also co…

You aren't having a good faith conversation. You didn't even bother to put in the work to read the article before making comments. You just had an idea in mind and decided to harp on it.

If you can't be bothered to read an article you comment on, how could anyone expect you as a co-worker to read and understand or listen and understand to what they're saying?

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