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Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by jmrm »

1cvmask wrote: post #2

This makes complete sense. Corporate journalists have many incentives to not publish the truth or to be stenographers for the establishment. That is why corporate media and journalists hate truth tellers and fearless journalists like Julian Assange and demand censorship on Internet platforms like YouTube, Twitter and Facebok with their corporate "factcheckers" in tow as muzzlers. Access journalism wants to censor all…

I don't know where you are from, but in Europe fact checker are actually only face up (and not too much) blogs, Facebook groups, and other similar media that makes hoaxes. Their news are like "that politician said that and this is false due to this, this, and this", "microwaving your phone won't charge it", or "vaccines won't give you 5G".

Heck, I read in some of them about how some important people done really bad things in the past, all with valid evidence from trusted sources, and no media faced them up.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by prionassembly »

ThePadawan wrote: post #9
darkerside wrote: post #4

Similar arc to BuzzFeed probably?

Or Teen Vogue (which pivoted hard from beauty/fashion into sociopolitical commentary around 2016/2017).

Yes, but Buzzfeed presumably broke news and did the whole journalism mambo. Anyone can write sociopolitical commentary.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by licnep »

Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes".

I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low quality clickbait, or government propaganda if they live off of government grants.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by sorethescore »

licnep wrote: post #14

Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

I hear what you're saying, but bait is the best way to catch fish. If you want to go fishing for racists, it's best to use race bait.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by fulvioterzapi »

As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem.

I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by fulvioterzapi »

sorethescore wrote: post #15
licnep wrote: post #14

Meh, as an italian i find the quality of fanpage journalism to be pretty low. It's mostly clickbait and "let's send a leftist to a right-wing protest and see if they get beaten up or catch somebody doing nazi salutes". I'm still happy they exist and are succeeding, but i feel that real investigative jouranlism is dying in Italy. With the fall of newspaper sales most outlets are just incentivized to publish low qualit…

I hear what you're saying, but bait is the best way to catch fish. If you want to go fishing for racists, it's best to use race bait.

> I hear what you're saying, but bait is the best way to catch fish. If you want to go fishing for racists, it's best to use race bait.

The point is that it's not exactly news that at right wing rallies you can find racists. It's not exactly award winning journalism in my opinion.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by mattrighetti »

fulvioterzapi wrote: post #17

As an Italian, I have to point out that Fanpage is mainly Buzzfeed-level trash. I am surprised The Guardian is holding Fanpage in such high esteem. I am not a leftist but I do appreciate good reporting from the whole political spectrum, including often the Guardian. Still, I wouldn't touch the steaming pile of BS that Fanpage is with a ten-foot pole!

I do agree with you on the Buzzfeed-level articles. They're entertaining, as most news websites nowadays.

> The story sent shock waves through the political establishment and helped make fanpage.it what it is today: one of Italy’s most successful news sites.

The Guardian is making the case that the most successful = good journalism, great scoops etc. which sounds a bit off to me.

Re: Fanpage: Italian website that went from gossip to award-winning scoops

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Post by throwaway599281 »

ThePadawan wrote: post #9
darkerside wrote: post #4

Similar arc to BuzzFeed probably?

Or Teen Vogue (which pivoted hard from beauty/fashion into sociopolitical commentary around 2016/2017).

Sociopolitical commentary as in an anal sex guide to minors, and several articles "explaining" how Socialism is the way forward?

It's pretty clear to figure out what is their end-game, and it's not just a redirection from shallow subjects such as the fashion world and teenagers stuff, to more "serious" topics.

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