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Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by tsbischof » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:02 AM UTC

ogogmad wrote: post #3

How are films supposed to get funded if people get them for free? The current status quo is that we have two methods of obtaining a film: - Via file sharing. You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading before you can watch it. This is inconvenient. - Via streaming services. You can watch a film before it's finished downloading. The latter costs money, but is more convenient. While certainly some of that…

Fix the service problem of actually being able to find films.

Back in the day, Netflix's DVD library was close enough to complete that there was little need to look elsewhere, and their streaming selection was not terrible when it launched. Now that the whole system is fractured, the simple act of finding out who streams your movie is a chore, and in many cases getting it in the original language with proper subtitles is non-trivial.

Create a single point of entry to a high-quality library with minimal friction, and you eliminate the desire to pirate in many people.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by ogogmad » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:04 AM UTC

charcircuit wrote: post #9

ogogmad wrote: post #3

How are films supposed to get funded if people get them for free? The current status quo is that we have two methods of obtaining a film: - Via file sharing. You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading before you can watch it. This is inconvenient. - Via streaming services. You can watch a film before it's finished downloading. The latter costs money, but is more convenient. While certainly some of that…

>You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading It depends on the video file format. If the file format supports opening partial files you can just open them when downloading. >The latter costs money There are plenty of free movie streaming sites.

>>You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading

>It depends on the video file format. If the file format supports opening partial files you can just open them when downloading.

I based my assumption on the fact that BitTorrent doesn't download the file from beginning to end in order. It downloads the file in a random order.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by Youden » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:04 AM UTC

charcircuit wrote: post #9

ogogmad wrote: post #3

How are films supposed to get funded if people get them for free? The current status quo is that we have two methods of obtaining a film: - Via file sharing. You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading before you can watch it. This is inconvenient. - Via streaming services. You can watch a film before it's finished downloading. The latter costs money, but is more convenient. While certainly some of that…

>You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading It depends on the video file format. If the file format supports opening partial files you can just open them when downloading. >The latter costs money There are plenty of free movie streaming sites.

> It depends on the video file format. If the file format supports opening partial files you can just open them when downloading.

It's a bit more complicated than that as you have to ensure that your torrent client downloads data in order, from start to finish. Usually it's more or less random.

There are torrent clients that support this though, for sure.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by ogogmad » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:06 AM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #4

ogogmad wrote: post #3

How are films supposed to get funded if people get them for free? The current status quo is that we have two methods of obtaining a film: - Via file sharing. You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading before you can watch it. This is inconvenient. - Via streaming services. You can watch a film before it's finished downloading. The latter costs money, but is more convenient. While certainly some of that…

file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. streaming service: If you figure out which service to use. If the service that has them is available in your region. And has that movie with your preferred language. And with your preferred subtitle language. Only if all points are checked do streaming services become more convenient… mostly. There are then also companies like Netflix or Amazon who…

> file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well.

Doesn't BitTorrent download the file in random order, instead of from beginning to end? I thought there was a good reason why it had to do that. I thought the only alternative was centralisation.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by the8472 » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:06 AM UTC

Semaphor wrote: post #4

ogogmad wrote: post #3

How are films supposed to get funded if people get them for free? The current status quo is that we have two methods of obtaining a film: - Via file sharing. You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading before you can watch it. This is inconvenient. - Via streaming services. You can watch a film before it's finished downloading. The latter costs money, but is more convenient. While certainly some of that…

file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. streaming service: If you figure out which service to use. If the service that has them is available in your region. And has that movie with your preferred language. And with your preferred subtitle language. Only if all points are checked do streaming services become more convenient… mostly. There are then also companies like Netflix or Amazon who…

> file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well.

Of sorts, when there's enough excess bandwidth available that fairness doesn't really matter. By design bittorrent randomizes download order to improve the ability of peers to be of mutual interest to enable tit-for-tat.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by s9w » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:06 AM UTC

ogogmad wrote: post #12

charcircuit wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading It depends on the video file format. If the file format supports opening partial files you can just open them when downloading. >The latter costs money There are plenty of free movie streaming sites.

>>You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading >It depends on the video file format. If the file format supports opening partial files you can just open them when downloading. I based my assumption on the fact that BitTorrent doesn't download the file from beginning to end in order. It downloads the file in a random order.

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Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by Semaphor » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:09 AM UTC

ogogmad wrote: post #14

Semaphor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. streaming service: If you figure out which service to use. If the service that has them is available in your region. And has that movie with your preferred language. And with your preferred subtitle language. Only if all points are checked do streaming services become more convenient… mostly. There are then also companies like Netflix or Amazon who…

> file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. Doesn't BitTorrent download the file in random order, instead of from beginning to end? I thought there was a good reason why it had to do that. I thought the only alternative was centralisation.

That’s something clients can control.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by aaaaaaaaaaab » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:10 AM UTC

ogogmad wrote: post #14

Semaphor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. streaming service: If you figure out which service to use. If the service that has them is available in your region. And has that movie with your preferred language. And with your preferred subtitle language. Only if all points are checked do streaming services become more convenient… mostly. There are then also companies like Netflix or Amazon who…

> file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. Doesn't BitTorrent download the file in random order, instead of from beginning to end? I thought there was a good reason why it had to do that. I thought the only alternative was centralisation.

It downloads them in the order you tell your client to do.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by LeapingLennie » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:10 AM UTC

ogogmad wrote: post #3

How are films supposed to get funded if people get them for free? The current status quo is that we have two methods of obtaining a film: - Via file sharing. You have to wait for the whole film to finish downloading before you can watch it. This is inconvenient. - Via streaming services. You can watch a film before it's finished downloading. The latter costs money, but is more convenient. While certainly some of that…

I'm more than happy to pay for movies or shows and currently subscribe to 5 streaming services but often find I need to resort to pirated content for a few reasons:

1. Frequently movies I want to watch are simply unavailable to stream or purchase in my country (Australia). Often they are available on the streaming services I subscribe to but only for users in other countries.

2. Being hearing impaired, I need subtitles but these are often unavailable on the streaming services. I can almost always get them for pirated content. So often I will pirate a movie that I could watch through a streaming service just so I can get the subtitles.

Re: A curated list of warez and piracy links

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Post by Semaphor » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 10:10 AM UTC

the8472 wrote: post #15

Semaphor wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. streaming service: If you figure out which service to use. If the service that has them is available in your region. And has that movie with your preferred language. And with your preferred subtitle language. Only if all points are checked do streaming services become more convenient… mostly. There are then also companies like Netflix or Amazon who…

> file sharing: Your premise is incorrect, you can stream them as well. Of sorts, when there's enough excess bandwidth available that fairness doesn't really matter. By design bittorrent randomizes download order to improve the ability of peers to be of mutual interest to enable tit-for-tat.

That is possible, I have never used this feature. Though I’d guess that something new or old enough for it to matter, can’t download fast enough to keep up with a stream anyway.