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Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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Are there by chance any similar tests on long covid patients using the enzymes Serrapeptase and Nattokinase? Or any of the other 30 or so related enzymes? Asking because Natto has the nice side benefit of binding to ACE2 and it is super easy to acquire. These enzymes are also Fibrinolytics.

As a related question, how is Japan doing in terms of long covid cases relative to everywhere else? They eat a lot of Natto.

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I think I’m going to start taking aspirin. Oddly enough I took that a few times because I didn’t have ibuprofen and I do feel like it helped a lot with the weird long symptoms I am experiencing. I’m triple vaccinated before anyone asks. I haven’t tested positive for Covid on rapid tests but a lot of people seem to be in the boat I’m in right now.

"I think I’m going to start taking aspirin"

In the UK there is a large, ongoing clinical trial called 'RECOVER' to test different COVID treaments for hospitalised COVID patients. One of the trials included giving hospitalised patients aspirin. The trial was not looking at the treatment of long-covid symptoms (at least not directly in hospital patients).

"A total of 7351 patients were randomised to aspirin 150 mg once daily and compared with 7541 patients randomised to usual care alone. There was no evidence that aspirin treatment reduced mortality."

Link: RECOVERY trial finds aspirin does not improve survival for patients hospitalised with COVID-19: https://www.recoverytrial.net/news/recovery-trial-finds-aspi...

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Huh. This is interesting. I also have some fatigue, but my most obvious long-covid symptom is heart pain/strain which is aggravated by either an elevated heart rate or dehydration. I'm no expert, but intuitively this would seem to provide a good explanation of those symptoms.

I'm hopeful that research into whatever "long covid" syndrome is/isn't leads to excellent new medical knowledge that applies to much more than just COVID edge-cases. I suddenly got similar symptoms since getting a nasty version of strep throat last October. Notably I had an elevated fever (>102F) for quite a few days straight. I've never had COVID but I did get the mRNA vaccines + booster. Since that fever, my heart…

Tell your doctor about your symptoms and then ask for an ECG. You want to know if you have an underlying heart condition. Depending on what you find, there may be options that will eliminate your arrhythmias.

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I think I’m going to start taking aspirin. Oddly enough I took that a few times because I didn’t have ibuprofen and I do feel like it helped a lot with the weird long symptoms I am experiencing. I’m triple vaccinated before anyone asks. I haven’t tested positive for Covid on rapid tests but a lot of people seem to be in the boat I’m in right now.

" I think I’m going to start taking aspirin " In the UK there is a large, ongoing clinical trial called 'RECOVER' to test different COVID treaments for hospitalised COVID patients . One of the trials included giving hospitalised patients aspirin. The trial was not looking at the treatment of long-covid symptoms (at least not directly in hospital patients). "A total of 7351 patients were randomised to aspirin 150 mg o…

If aspirin doesn't improve survival, does that mean it also will not help with COVID symptoms?

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I think I’m going to start taking aspirin. Oddly enough I took that a few times because I didn’t have ibuprofen and I do feel like it helped a lot with the weird long symptoms I am experiencing. I’m triple vaccinated before anyone asks. I haven’t tested positive for Covid on rapid tests but a lot of people seem to be in the boat I’m in right now.

" I think I’m going to start taking aspirin " In the UK there is a large, ongoing clinical trial called 'RECOVER' to test different COVID treaments for hospitalised COVID patients . One of the trials included giving hospitalised patients aspirin. The trial was not looking at the treatment of long-covid symptoms (at least not directly in hospital patients). "A total of 7351 patients were randomised to aspirin 150 mg o…

It feels to me that the medical community at large looks almost exclusively at data regarding severe cases. I'm certainly no medical expert but it seems reasonable to me that the treatments for someone who is literally dying from COVID could be completely orthogonal from those who are in the early stages of the infection. My understanding of severe cases is that the body is no longer or not only fighting the virus but also it's own immune response amongst other things (e.g. blood clotting). And that outcomes are mostly determined by how well the individual is able to weather the storm of their own immune system attacking them. I would not expect aspirin or similar treatments to have much effect when the patient has gotten to this point. Thought certainly, there could be some treatments that help which would prevent this from happening in the first place.

And, I'm aware of the research (and money) being poured into antivirals. Of course that's a thing. I'm sure there are billions if not trillions to be made off a pill you "simply take daily" to prevent the "severe and long covid." The headlines write themselves. But I seriously wonder what research is being done on "mild" covid cases using more cheap/traditional medicines. I know where I live, the doctors don't even talk to you unless your case gets severe - basically once you need oxygen supplementation. Prior to that, you're told to stay home and rest. I'm not even sure they create a record in their medical system.

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post #8

Huh. This is interesting. I also have some fatigue, but my most obvious long-covid symptom is heart pain/strain which is aggravated by either an elevated heart rate or dehydration. I'm no expert, but intuitively this would seem to provide a good explanation of those symptoms.

I'm hopeful that research into whatever "long covid" syndrome is/isn't leads to excellent new medical knowledge that applies to much more than just COVID edge-cases. I suddenly got similar symptoms since getting a nasty version of strep throat last October. Notably I had an elevated fever (>102F) for quite a few days straight. I've never had COVID but I did get the mRNA vaccines + booster. Since that fever, my heart…

I had similar symptoms in January 2019, I went to Urgent Care and then the ER because of heart arrhythmia, I felt sick, but no major fever. I put it down to anxiety (never suffered with before), but part of me wonders if it was COVID.

Out of curiosity, where do you live? I too live next to a bunch of chemical/steel plants and have been tracking air quality, weather, traffic, etc. https://millerbeach.community in Gary for a few years. Winds from North>South produce the best air quality, E>W or W>E produce worse, same with S>N.

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>a group of vocal doctors who get ignored or suppressed by the media You make it sound so ominous. But if you look them up they have gotten a ton of coverage from all kinds of media. Pierre Kory et. al. has also published (and are still publishing) numerous articles in (non hoax/predatory) science journals. Sure they are critiqued, but that is what happens when you go against a majority opinion (disciplinary not popu…

> You make it sound so ominous

It is like a group of folks only recently discovered the marketing value of being "banned". A lot of them apparently just noticed punk rock this decade, I guess.

And so you get amazing spectacles like Bari Weiss whining about being shut of out public discourse... in the NYT and WSJ. I'm sure many of her intellectual adversaries would love to be shunned to a similar degree.

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post #8

Huh. This is interesting. I also have some fatigue, but my most obvious long-covid symptom is heart pain/strain which is aggravated by either an elevated heart rate or dehydration. I'm no expert, but intuitively this would seem to provide a good explanation of those symptoms.

I'm hopeful that research into whatever "long covid" syndrome is/isn't leads to excellent new medical knowledge that applies to much more than just COVID edge-cases. I suddenly got similar symptoms since getting a nasty version of strep throat last October. Notably I had an elevated fever (>102F) for quite a few days straight. I've never had COVID but I did get the mRNA vaccines + booster. Since that fever, my heart…

I have a recommendation for you:

You need to exercise. You are in your mid-thirties now. It's a big problem if you don't. But you have bad air quality where you live. I've dealt with this myself in the past.

A relatively inexpensive solution that I recommend for anyone in areas with poor air quality is to build your own filter fans. Get a standard box fan, get a furnace filter that has HEPA ratings, duct tape the furnace filter to the back of the fan. One of these in a whole house does a good job. Put three of them in there and it's crazy how big of a difference it makes. My wife has respiratory issues and my son has asthma. My wife had to be hospitalized twice for wildfire smoke in my neighborhood. Once I started doing the filter fan trick the issues went away. You can then work out in your home. Used cardio equipment is ridiculously easy to come by. I purchased a reflex punching bag for my basement a few months ago and it's the best piece of cardio equipment I've ever gotten. Doesn't take up too much space wasn't too expensive either.

I applaud you on your diet though. You definitely have a good grasp of the metrics that matter. Low triglycerides and high HDL are crucial, and good for you keeping that blood pressure solid. That diet is clearly doing good things for you.

Just keep in mind that exercise does great things for mental health by relieving stress via hormones.

One side note:

You may have contracted covid and never known it. The only reason I knew I caught it back in February of 2021 was because of my complete loss of sense of smell. If not for that single symptom I would have never known I had it. It didn't impact me in any other way. My wife and kids caught it as well and had absolutely no symptoms. They only knew they caught it because they got tested along with me.

Re: Antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy resolves long covid in 24 patients

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I think I’m going to start taking aspirin. Oddly enough I took that a few times because I didn’t have ibuprofen and I do feel like it helped a lot with the weird long symptoms I am experiencing. I’m triple vaccinated before anyone asks. I haven’t tested positive for Covid on rapid tests but a lot of people seem to be in the boat I’m in right now.

" I think I’m going to start taking aspirin " In the UK there is a large, ongoing clinical trial called 'RECOVER' to test different COVID treaments for hospitalised COVID patients . One of the trials included giving hospitalised patients aspirin. The trial was not looking at the treatment of long-covid symptoms (at least not directly in hospital patients). "A total of 7351 patients were randomised to aspirin 150 mg o…

Thank you for the study.

I’m not worried about mortality so much as getting over the strange long effects I’m feeling. I see this study as well.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210315/low-dose-aspirin-ma...

> But Magen's group found that people who'd already been taking low-dose aspirin to reduce their risk of heart disease had a 29% lower risk of contracting COVID-19 compared to those who didn't take aspirin, and that rates of aspirin use were much lower among COVID-19 patients than among those who didn't get infected.

>Among people who did get COVID-19, the time it took for SARS-CoV-2 PCR test results to go from positive to negative was significantly shorter among those who used aspirin, and the duration of their disease was two-three days shorter, depending upon preexisting health conditions.

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