Live data from Hacker News

We need to reclaim our attention

theguardian.com

11–20 of 458 posts

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#11
post #8

There is a veritable war going on for your attention, and the battlefields are your eyeballs, your ears and ultimately your brain. Psychologists have been enlisted, as they are in every war to try to win it for 'their side', be it one of the big silos or some dying TV or newspaper era behemoth, there is no reasonable way in which you can withstand that kind of frontal onslaught. The only way to really deal with this…

  "The only winning move is not to play."
War Games (1983)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmGXeAtWUw

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#12
post #3

This is a major reason why I am bearish about online learning. I do love the accessibility of MOOCs, but I have to watch the videos multiple times to deeply understand the concepts, and I have to print out the assignments in order to really play with the ideas and solve them in a way that makes me grow. I prefer whenever possible to buy books. I'm not a bibliophile; I just do MUCH better when the target of my attenti…

Have you tried sitting in a classroom? That can be very boring, too, and there is no way to rewind.

Personally I also prefer books and written articles for learning, but for some reason, many people seem to prefer videos.

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#13
post #2

This for me is key, these sorts of problems cannot just be solved on an individual level. They are systemic. "Individual abstinence is “not the solution, for the same reason that wearing a gas mask for two days a week outside isn’t the answer to pollution. It might, for a short period of time, keep certain effects at bay, but it’s not sustainable, and it doesn’t address the systemic issues.” He said that our attentio…

Except I have no choice but to walk through an area which might be polluted. I do have a choice to not read news sites for four hours a day. The article fails to define both the problem and the solution. How exactly this “attention theft” causes significant negative societary consequences is defined extremely vaguely, and almost exclusively through personal anecdotes. The offered solutions, forcing employers to respe…

"Choice" really needs to be well-defined here. We know you can influence people to change their behavior because we invented the term "attention hacking". Sheer willpower will not overcome this on anything but an individual level. And just like obesity has other dependents like the cost of food, there is also cost/disincentives to "disconnecting". Social interaction is almost exclusively happening online now, especially during a pandemic. There is a very limited set of circumstances in which individual action will not have other severe consequences to your life - so while it might work for you, there's no way it'll work for everyone. Systemic issues require systemic solutions.

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#14
Arguably the iPad technology for viewing plastic plants in VR is more interesting than plastic plants in a room.

The author also seems to be very "unlucky" to have a relative who supposedly can't cope with normal live because of all the distractions.

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#15
post #2

This for me is key, these sorts of problems cannot just be solved on an individual level. They are systemic. "Individual abstinence is “not the solution, for the same reason that wearing a gas mask for two days a week outside isn’t the answer to pollution. It might, for a short period of time, keep certain effects at bay, but it’s not sustainable, and it doesn’t address the systemic issues.” He said that our attentio…

The only way that you can solve it is on an individual level unless you are in a position of power. You have far less agency over the systemic issues than you have over your individual choices.

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#16
post #3

This is a major reason why I am bearish about online learning. I do love the accessibility of MOOCs, but I have to watch the videos multiple times to deeply understand the concepts, and I have to print out the assignments in order to really play with the ideas and solve them in a way that makes me grow. I prefer whenever possible to buy books. I'm not a bibliophile; I just do MUCH better when the target of my attenti…

Have you tried sitting in a classroom? That can be very boring, too, and there is no way to rewind. Personally I also prefer books and written articles for learning, but for some reason, many people seem to prefer videos.

I know someone who claims to be a visual learner because he prefers video tutorials. But I say to him: no, I like pictures too, but what I can’t stand about videos is the person talking. I want to be able to scan things at my own (varying) pace, my mind wanders when listening to a single voice talk about something. I struggled with university lectures because of this. But I’ve learnt a lot from podcasts and have been an avid listener since ~2005 but only for ones where it’s a conversation between at least 2 people. I’ve tried and failed audiobooks due to it just being a single narration.

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#17

The problem isn't as much that social media is addictive. The issue is that people aren't happy with their other options of what to do. If you have a draining job and don't have energy to put into a hobby, or you don't have lots of friends to hang out with, you're much more likely to waste time on something addictive.

The default human condition is to be slightly bored much of the day. This is true now, this was true in hunter-gatherer societies.

These kind of traps are addictive to even otherwise happy and well-connected people; there are basically no subcultures on earth that has produced individuals who voluntarily abstain from social media (only cultures where such technology is banned entirely, like the Amish).

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#18
My attention has collapsed in recent times, but it's not because of mobiles. It's because I have three young kids. You literally have to keep your eye on them at all times so you stop them killing themselves.

Also, going from 8 hrs of sleep a night + 1 hr of intensive sport a day to 4-5 hrs of sleep a night and 1 hr of sport a year is an absolute mind killer.

When I was younger I could never imagine going into management, as I'm "not a multitasker". Turns out all I needed to do was to never focus on anything for more than 1 minute..

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#19
post #5

I’ve said for years that the 20th century saw humanity for the first time having to learn to live in a world of infinite sugar, fat and salt. The 21st century will be about learning to live in a world of infinite information. We will all have to be mindful of whether we are consuming the mental equivalent of broccoli, donuts or anthrax.

Good stuff, really. I like the analogy between sugar, fat, salt and information, though infotainment may be a better term for the stuff we are addicted to.

Re: We need to reclaim our attention

#20
post #8

There is a veritable war going on for your attention, and the battlefields are your eyeballs, your ears and ultimately your brain. Psychologists have been enlisted, as they are in every war to try to win it for 'their side', be it one of the big silos or some dying TV or newspaper era behemoth, there is no reasonable way in which you can withstand that kind of frontal onslaught. The only way to really deal with this…

The entire way the old media reports on the new media is unironical scaremongering about how the internet is hacking the fear response of your amygdala. They should instead be positive and publish articles like "Here are 10 youtube channels that go into more depth that the master program of any university".
Post reply on HN