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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by newsclues »

b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

My understanding is that it’s either, control, money or both. It is not logical public health policy so greed and tyranny are the other possible explanations.

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Post by calebm »

scrollaway wrote: post #4
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

> However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus Vaccines reduce spread. Even if it doesn’t stop spread completely it’s still a significant factor.

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Post by whimsicalism »

moralestapia wrote: post #7
scrollaway wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus Vaccines reduce spread. Even if it doesn’t stop spread completely it’s still a significant factor.

>Vaccines reduce spread. In this case, they don't.

Uh, source? Media very much likes to simplify these things, but if you think of this in a probabilistic/continuous manner, rather than a "yes spread vs no spread" approach, the vaccines obviously reduce spread?

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Post by furgooswft13 »

Ardon wrote: post #6
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

They are mandatory only in the sense you might get a small fine if you happen to be caught and pulled over without one. You still keep your drivers license, and your car, and your job.

Also you can take the seatbelt off when you get out of the car.

It's still nonsense (click it or ticket laws), but you gotta pick your battles. Though I'm ready to murder the people who invented/mandated "beep incessantly if the seatbelt is not clicked, even if the car is stationary".

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by newsclues »

Ardon wrote: post #6
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

Do we ban people from driving if they refuse to wear seatbelts?

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Post by crisdux »

scrollaway wrote: post #4
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

> However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus Vaccines reduce spread. Even if it doesn’t stop spread completely it’s still a significant factor.

It is fairly clear that is it not a significant factor, even before omicron. I don't know how these claims that lack a solid scientific basis still continue. You cannot attribute a capability to a vaccine that has not been confirmed through high quality evidence.

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there.

If you have more robust information though I’d like to know of it.

Edit: please note this was published in dec 29 2021, with data up to that point, and therefore also incorporates omicron.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/...

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Post by whimsicalism »

calebm wrote: post #12
scrollaway wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus Vaccines reduce spread. Even if it doesn’t stop spread completely it’s still a significant factor.

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What kind of reasoning is this? Is this the sort of logic you would use on the job?

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by Orphis »

NDizzle wrote: post #3

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Horrible logic. Seatbelts are in the same position. They are mandatory and greatly reduce harm done in an accident. Same thing for the vaccines, you won't die and won't likely be using an ICU bed that other patients need.

Go spread your FUD elsewhere.

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