For me the fact that it's censorship-resistant is not the interesting point here, it's that it's decentralized.
Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#12The protocol is nice and simple, but how does this prevent the issue that Aether has where running a relay just basically destroys your bandwidth and you have to store tons of stuff?
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#13Why so complicated? Just setup your personal website with RSS feeds.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#14> it does not rely on P2P techniques, therefore it works. followed by > To publish something, you write a post, sign it with your key and send it to multiple relays (servers hosted by someone else, or yourself). To get updates from other people, you ask multiple relays if they know anything about these other people. Anyone can run a relay. Sounds pretty much like P2P techniques to me.
Another nitpick this -> "A relay can block a user from publishing anything there, " sounds like censorship to me We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. We don't like it to be the gov, because we don't feel like the gov is 'by and for the people' We don't like it being large corporations because that's doubly the case.
> A relay can block a user from publishing anything there.
The point is that it won’t be effective since messages are pushed to/pulled from multiple relays.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#15I used to be a huge fan of censorship resistance, freedom and privacy, but I didn‘t appreciate just how much self-selection there was in the kinds of people who went to great lengths to access IRC in the times of dial-up modems.
These days, I have the feeling there are only two kinds of platforms left:
The clean ones with strong moderation, where any form of edginess and possibly controversial topics including breastfeeding, violence or discussing human rights can be banned globally or in certain countries.
And the other ones, where the Nazis, lunatics and scammers hang out.
I‘m still not sure what to take from that.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#16> it does not rely on P2P techniques, therefore it works. followed by > To publish something, you write a post, sign it with your key and send it to multiple relays (servers hosted by someone else, or yourself). To get updates from other people, you ask multiple relays if they know anything about these other people. Anyone can run a relay. Sounds pretty much like P2P techniques to me.
Adam Relay ... Relay Bob
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#17> it does not rely on P2P techniques, therefore it works. followed by > To publish something, you write a post, sign it with your key and send it to multiple relays (servers hosted by someone else, or yourself). To get updates from other people, you ask multiple relays if they know anything about these other people. Anyone can run a relay. Sounds pretty much like P2P techniques to me.
Another nitpick this -> "A relay can block a user from publishing anything there, " sounds like censorship to me We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. We don't like it to be the gov, because we don't feel like the gov is 'by and for the people' We don't like it being large corporations because that's doubly the case.
>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring.
No, the problem is with censoring people.
You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why would I need a censor in between myself and information?
No need for governments, no need for corporations, just me and my silly brain will decide what to digest. What a concept!
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We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's not with who does the censoring, it's people that try and normalize censorship.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#18I like the intent of these types of projects but a serious question I have is: How do you get the majority of people to switch to something like this? There are many examples but the most recent ones that come to mind are people trying to get their friends to use Murmur/Mumble instead of Discord with basically near-zero success. I've seen this in a few gaming forums. Anyone attempting this is basically laughed off th…
I don’t think the majority of people would be interested in a project like this.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#19Why so complicated? Just setup your personal website with RSS feeds.
The people who cry about censorship on big platforms are people who want to access the audience. They aren't crying for the censorship itself (they usually love when people with opposing views get banned), they are just using that word to complain about them losing an audience. Setting up a personal website doesn't meet that goal, and probably a thing like this doesn't either. Most of the nazis etc. are quite miserable in their "censorship-free" platforms, because they can't reach normal people there.
Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter
#20I'm using branle ( https://branle.fiatjaf.com/ ) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793. You can find my pubring on my bio after following me. There's no ability to discover others at this time! Nostr relay registry hosted here ( https://nostr-registry.netlify.app ) by fiatjaf. Exciting times!
> I'm using branle (https://branle.fiatjaf.com/) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793.
It isn't too hard to improve upon the status quo in various ways when you just drop a key usability requirement (in this case, the need for human-memorable 'handles').
It is worth reading 'Why Johnny Can't Encrypt' (1999) [0], 'Why Johnny Still Can't Encrypt' (2011) [1], and 'Why Johnny Still, Still Can't Encrypt' (2015) [2].
[0] https://www.usenix.org/legacy/events/sec99/full_papers/whitt...
[1] https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.22...