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New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

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Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law does not prevent this.

The law opens any employer up to dozens of lawsuits if they hire people for less than what was advertised.

> The law opens any employer up to dozens of lawsuits if they hire people for less than what was advertised.

If it actually does do that, then spell out why that's the case (e.g. what's the penalty for hiring someone for a salary outside the posted range)?

The OP makes it sound like this is only to address certain information asymmetries in salary negotiation:

> Currently, New York City employers are allowed to withhold pay information until the end of the hiring process.

> Advocates of the bill argue that this forces applications into unequal negotiations throughout the hiring process without the critical piece of knowledge around salary.

> “Lack of salary transparency is discriminatory and anti-worker,” said Rosenthal. “Every New Yorker should have the right to determine whether they will be able to support themselves and their family when they apply for a job. It is time to level the playing field, and restore some dignity to New Yorkers seeking employment.”

> ...Job postings without salary range information can be reported to the city’s Commission on Human Rights.

Based on the article, I see no reason why someone would be prevented from consenting to pay below the position's current minimum, so long as they have full knowledge that is what they are in fact doing.

Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#12

Way to make harder to get a job! For my first salary role I took half the advertised pay as I knew less than half of what they wanted. With this crap I'd just not get the job.

This hasn't caused jobs to disappear in Colorado, which has a similar law.

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Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#13

Way to make harder to get a job! For my first salary role I took half the advertised pay as I knew less than half of what they wanted. With this crap I'd just not get the job.

I don't even waste my time applying if I don't know what to expect for compensation. So it's already hard to get a job.

Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#14
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Minimum salary: $10,000 per year. Maximum salary: $1,000,000 per year. Legal compliance achieved, while still effectively maintaining confidentiality of salary info.

That range probably doesn't satisfy the requirements of the new law: The range must: "extend from the lowest to the highest salary the employer in good faith believes at the time of the posting it would pay for the advertised job, promotion or transfer opportunity."

> That range probably doesn't satisfy the requirements of the new law:

It's amazing how some people lazily assume they're so much cleverer than everyone else.

A good heuristic is to assume you're just plain wrong if you think you've discovered a way to weasel out of a law with only five seconds worth of thought.

Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#15

Will be interesting to see how many (and which) corporations move headquarters to get around this.

> Will be interesting to see how many (and which) corporations move headquarters to get around this

This is the wrong target. Large companies are generally fine with these sorts of laws. It's the small companies who now have another of ten million disclosure laws they have to follow, laws which vary from county to county.

Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law opens any employer up to dozens of lawsuits if they hire people for less than what was advertised.

> The law opens any employer up to dozens of lawsuits if they hire people for less than what was advertised. If it actually does do that, then spell out why that's the case (e.g. what's the penalty for hiring someone for a salary outside the posted range)? The OP makes it sound like this is only to address certain information asymmetries in salary negotiation: > Currently, New York City employers are allowed to withh…

>Based on the article, I see no reason why someone would be prevented from consenting to pay below the position's current minimum, so long as they have full knowledge that is what they are in fact doing

As they say, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions, I see no reason why an HR department would take the risk.

When I was in my early 20s I had no degree or real experience. With misguided laws like this I wouldn't of been offered a job. It's not on your employer to pay you 100k for your first job. You endure making a bit less for a while.

Then about 3 years later you get your 100k job

Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#17

Way to make harder to get a job! For my first salary role I took half the advertised pay as I knew less than half of what they wanted. With this crap I'd just not get the job.

This hasn't caused jobs to disappear in Colorado, which has a similar law.

>Colorado remote workers need not apply: Companies avoid state due to salary-posting law

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/06/26/colorado-remote-work-j...

Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#18

Will be interesting to see how many (and which) corporations move headquarters to get around this.

Can you think of a single example of a company for which moving headquarters might make sense because of this law?

Remember that it applies only to salary (not total compensation) and it applies to jobs done in NYC, not jobs done for companies whose headquarters are in NYC.

Re: New York City to require employers to list minimum and maximum salaries

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The law opens any employer up to dozens of lawsuits if they hire people for less than what was advertised. If it actually does do that, then spell out why that's the case (e.g. what's the penalty for hiring someone for a salary outside the posted range)? The OP makes it sound like this is only to address certain information asymmetries in salary negotiation: > Currently, New York City employers are allowed to withh…

>Based on the article, I see no reason why someone would be prevented from consenting to pay below the position's current minimum, so long as they have full knowledge that is what they are in fact doing As they say, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions, I see no reason why an HR department would take the risk. When I was in my early 20s I had no degree or real experience. With misguided laws like this I wou…

> As they say, the path to Hell is paved with good intentions...

The other path to Hell is to not act on good intentions.

> With misguided laws like this I wouldn't of been offered a job.

No, you're just making that assumption.

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