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Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid'

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Re: Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid'

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Post by mdp2021 »

gus_massa wrote: post #6

Note that this only the opinion of one doctor (or two), not some official conclusion by the WHO or other big organization.

One may note that, but you seem to imply that «big organization»s are authoritative. That is "not how it works". Entities have boundaries - in general "political", in terms of policies of caution towards other powers.

Edit: the article seems a valid journalistic effort, and - specifying just in case - is richer in information than just mentioning a couple of opinions.

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Post by user-the-name »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #8
1cvmask wrote: post #5

It was an amusing period when all the mainstream media outlets attacked such discussions as racist and xenophobic and censorship platforms like YouTube banned it. And then somehow noted scientists like Jon Stewart allowed for the discussion to be allowed. This dilly dallying on the origins of Covid only shows the importance of free speech and the dangers of the mainstream media, Big Tech and their lies. Whether the r…

This just reinforces my lack of faith in the "experts", and my belief that they are playing politicians. "We don't have a clue what's flying but listen to me because i'm a doctor" doesn't make sense to me.

Like https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2021/12/15/matt-ridl...?

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Post by Markoff »

"We know this virus has a unique feature, called the furin cleavage site, and without this feature there is no way this would be causing this pandemic."

"A proposal was leaked showing that EcoHealth and the Wuhan Institute of Virology were developing a pipeline for inserting novel furin cleavage sites. So, you find these scientists who said in early 2018 ‘I’m going to put horns on horses’ and at the end of 2019 a unicorn turns up in Wuhan city."

Re: Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid'

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Post by gus_massa »

mdp2021 wrote: post #11
gus_massa wrote: post #6

Note that this only the opinion of one doctor (or two), not some official conclusion by the WHO or other big organization.

One may note that, but you seem to imply that «big organization»s are authoritative. That is "not how it works". Entities have boundaries - in general "political", in terms of policies of caution towards other powers. Edit: the article seems a valid journalistic effort, and - specifying just in case - is richer in information than just mentioning a couple of opinions.

I agree that the WHO is too big, but there are many intermediate organization like the health association of each country that can make a good report.

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Post by redconfetti »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #10
gus_massa wrote: post #6

Note that this only the opinion of one doctor (or two), not some official conclusion by the WHO or other big organization.

The WHO has displayed in stunning detail, how they are incapable of independent thought and how they are utterly unwilling to challenge any of the Chinese government various blatant lies. I think at this stage they are just lackeys to China. I think Trump was right to cut their funding.

Yes. That seemed pretty objective to me, not a political decision.

"The reality is that the WHO failed to adequately obtain and share information in a timely and transparent fashion."..."The WHO failed to investigate credible reports from sources in Wuhan that conflicted directly with the Chinese government’s official accounts,"

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-eyes-withholding-us-funding-for...

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Post by mdp2021 »

gus_massa wrote: post #17
mdp2021 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One may note that, but you seem to imply that «big organization»s are authoritative. That is "not how it works". Entities have boundaries - in general "political", in terms of policies of caution towards other powers. Edit: the article seems a valid journalistic effort, and - specifying just in case - is richer in information than just mentioning a couple of opinions.

I agree that the WHO is too big, but there are many intermediate organization like the health association of each country that can make a good report.

> I agree that the WHO

That is not necessarily my opinion - I never expressed that.

You opposed «only [only] the opinion of one doctor (or two)» vs «some official conclusion by the WHO or other big organization»: does that mean that you can trust «big organizations» more? Organizations, «big» or «intermediate», live on funding. They are not free entities by nature. Their space of action is what is allowed to them (their margins may be broad or narrow, depending).

Re: Wuhan lab leak 'now the most likely origin of Covid'

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Post by FridayoLeary »

user-the-name wrote: post #14
FridayoLeary wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This just reinforces my lack of faith in the "experts", and my belief that they are playing politicians. "We don't have a clue what's flying but listen to me because i'm a doctor" doesn't make sense to me.

Like https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2021/12/15/matt-ridl... ?

Not at all.
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