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Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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There are a few particularly interesting points when you go back up your ancestor tree. First, there is a point where some ancestor of yours is an ancestor of everyone else currently living (and so will also be an ancestor of everyone else to come). This is the "most recent common ancestor" point. Go farther back and you reach the "identical ancestors point" (also known as the "all common ancestors point" or the "gen…

Thank you, I learned a lot from your comment. It also occurred to me that since only about half of a parent's genes are passed on, a person can have had Neanderthal ancestry and for whatever reason the Neanderthal genes were not passed on.

I think it is better to speak of uniquely Neanderthal genes. Our genome must have been almost identical to the Neanderthal genome, given that interbreeding was both possible and that the hybrid offspring remained fertile. So it is likely that many people alive today do indeed have genes from the Neanderthal line, but those genes are either identical to human genes or so close that we cannot distinguish their Neanderthal original from ordinary variations/mutations.

Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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I've grown to see not only humans but also animals and plants to be on the same tree of life.

Some natives in South America call the animals our little grandmas and grandpas, and I can relate to that.

It's typical for one to be treated by their children the same way they had treated their own parents and grandparents.

I wonder what this means for us.

Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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There are a few particularly interesting points when you go back up your ancestor tree. First, there is a point where some ancestor of yours is an ancestor of everyone else currently living (and so will also be an ancestor of everyone else to come). This is the "most recent common ancestor" point. Go farther back and you reach the "identical ancestors point" (also known as the "all common ancestors point" or the "gen…

Another thing I find interesting is that your family right now are the most closest humans related to you. When you go back in time or forward in time, the relatedness dilutes.

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> Now I feel special and important and also I feel irrelevant and meaningless. There's an infinite number of ways to end up at this feeling+realization. Personally, I reached this when I got interested in cosmology (PBS Space Time!!). I invoke Nihilistic (existential nihilism) ideas. Because it's not hard to end up at the conclusion that everything is meaningless - you create your own meaning. I recognize lots of pro…

This seems more like a perspectivism, egoism, or absurdism than nihilism. Ultimately, nihilism is the position that even any meaning you create is likewise inherently meaningless. To create your own meaning, and maintain that it is meaningful, is a refutation of nihilism, not its embrace.

In the strictest sense, yes you're right. But there are so many "flavors" in popular culture.

For me, Nihilism is the input. i.e. everything is meaningless. But the output, i.e. what do you do, is separate.

Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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This article made me wonder about an idea I’ve been thinking about for years. There are people who have prosopagnosia, also known as face blindness, the inability to recognize familiar faces. I’m not exactly a super recogniser, but I have an unusual ability to remember a face. Beyond these two extremes, would it be possible to recognize a face you’ve never seen before as a possible relative, and has such a thing ever…

> So to further refine my question: can we recognize (visually or otherwise) strangers as potential relatives in some way by sense perception, if they are closer to us on the cone of ancestry?

Like being able to tell someone's race? It's imperfect and fuzzy at the edges, but socially constructed racial categories more or less correspond to clusters on the human genetic principal component analysis graph:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Principal_compon...

Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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There are a few particularly interesting points when you go back up your ancestor tree. First, there is a point where some ancestor of yours is an ancestor of everyone else currently living (and so will also be an ancestor of everyone else to come). This is the "most recent common ancestor" point. Go farther back and you reach the "identical ancestors point" (also known as the "all common ancestors point" or the "gen…

> We only have enough genes to have genes from all our ancestors back for 15 or so generations.

Isn't the more relevant number the 46 chromosomes? So we can't even share DNA with everyone six generations back.

Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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Almost every country was very homogeneous just 50 years ago, so your family tree wont branch out like that normally. USA is a bit different since it is a nation of immigrants, but mostly people barely even left their villages historically.

Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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There are a few particularly interesting points when you go back up your ancestor tree. First, there is a point where some ancestor of yours is an ancestor of everyone else currently living (and so will also be an ancestor of everyone else to come). This is the "most recent common ancestor" point. Go farther back and you reach the "identical ancestors point" (also known as the "all common ancestors point" or the "gen…

> We only have enough genes to have genes from all our ancestors back for 15 or so generations. Isn't the more relevant number the 46 chromosomes? So we can't even share DNA with everyone six generations back.

Genetics are much more complicated than that. Processes like recombination means there’s much more options to mix and match genes.

Re: Everyone on Earth is your cousin (2015)

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There are a few particularly interesting points when you go back up your ancestor tree. First, there is a point where some ancestor of yours is an ancestor of everyone else currently living (and so will also be an ancestor of everyone else to come). This is the "most recent common ancestor" point. Go farther back and you reach the "identical ancestors point" (also known as the "all common ancestors point" or the "gen…

> We only have enough genes to have genes from all our ancestors back for 15 or so generations. Isn't the more relevant number the 46 chromosomes? So we can't even share DNA with everyone six generations back.

> Isn't the more relevant number the 46 chromosomes?

Not so much. Because chromosomes recombine during meiosis (sex cell differentiation), so people never pass on the chromosomes they received from their individual parents fully intact to their offspring.

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