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Re: Django 4.0

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Post by cdrx »

fleetfox wrote: post #9
WayToDoor wrote: post #4

While it doesn't seem like a major update at first glance on this news piece, the changelog is available here : https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.0/releases/4.0/ Of note, in my opinion : - The new AddConstraintNotValid operation allows creating check constraints on PostgreSQL without verifying that all existing rows satisfy the new constraint, meaning that one can now create constraints on big postgres tables witho…

Do you know if the ORM solution have the same `a` suffix for async interface? I really hope there is more elegant solution for all this.

ORM will use the same `a` suffix, yes.

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by hellbannedguy »

nanna wrote: post #3

I must learn Django, it's got everything I'll ever need. No, Rails will make me happy and it's better for lonely devs like me. No I must learn a Modern Web Framework (TM) to prove I'm not stuck in the past. No way, I'm not a fashionista. Have you seen that Phoenix demo where the guy builds Twitter in like 4 minutes? That's the future. Hold on a minute, enough of this magic. I need to learn to build everything in Comm…

Yea--I don't want to waste my life learning frameworks either.

The less time googling a new framework, the better.

Now learning Lisp is something else.

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by myth_drannon »

nanna wrote: post #3

I must learn Django, it's got everything I'll ever need. No, Rails will make me happy and it's better for lonely devs like me. No I must learn a Modern Web Framework (TM) to prove I'm not stuck in the past. No way, I'm not a fashionista. Have you seen that Phoenix demo where the guy builds Twitter in like 4 minutes? That's the future. Hold on a minute, enough of this magic. I need to learn to build everything in Comm…

That's me. Once a year I get burned out from all the new languages and frameworks and decide to learn Common Lisp again for the 10the time.

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by Majestic121 »

We went all in on FastAPI with my team, but we're hit the issue that the projects of Tiangolo (FastAPI, SQLModel, Typer) seem to be turning pretty much unmaintained : https://github.com/tiangolo/fastapi/discussions/3970

We've already been hit by multiple bugs with fixing PR opened, but left to rot, and missing documentation : the 'tutorial' documentation is great, but if you want a reference you have to go read the code.

I guess that's the issue when you pick projects maintained by one person, so for my next projects I might get back to something built on stronger grounds, like Django.

How is Django this day with modern Python constructs like typing in general and Pydantic models integration ?

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by ac130kz »

nanna wrote: post #3

I must learn Django, it's got everything I'll ever need. No, Rails will make me happy and it's better for lonely devs like me. No I must learn a Modern Web Framework (TM) to prove I'm not stuck in the past. No way, I'm not a fashionista. Have you seen that Phoenix demo where the guy builds Twitter in like 4 minutes? That's the future. Hold on a minute, enough of this magic. I need to learn to build everything in Comm…

Nah, Django makes you sad: async support is not full, migrations engine is pretty poor, not all database features are present, any kind of typing is hacky, very slow and so on

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by geewee »

ac130kz wrote: post #15
nanna wrote: post #3

I must learn Django, it's got everything I'll ever need. No, Rails will make me happy and it's better for lonely devs like me. No I must learn a Modern Web Framework (TM) to prove I'm not stuck in the past. No way, I'm not a fashionista. Have you seen that Phoenix demo where the guy builds Twitter in like 4 minutes? That's the future. Hold on a minute, enough of this magic. I need to learn to build everything in Comm…

Nah, Django makes you sad: async support is not full, migrations engine is pretty poor, not all database features are present, any kind of typing is hacky, very slow and so on

What other migration engine have you used that's better? Anything non-django I've used makes me wish I was using Django

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by qeternity »

ac130kz wrote: post #15
nanna wrote: post #3

I must learn Django, it's got everything I'll ever need. No, Rails will make me happy and it's better for lonely devs like me. No I must learn a Modern Web Framework (TM) to prove I'm not stuck in the past. No way, I'm not a fashionista. Have you seen that Phoenix demo where the guy builds Twitter in like 4 minutes? That's the future. Hold on a minute, enough of this magic. I need to learn to build everything in Comm…

Nah, Django makes you sad: async support is not full, migrations engine is pretty poor, not all database features are present, any kind of typing is hacky, very slow and so on

> migrations engine is pretty poor

I find this to be an odd take. The Django migrations engine is probably its strongest feature.

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by rglullis »

Majestic121 wrote: post #14

We went all in on FastAPI with my team, but we're hit the issue that the projects of Tiangolo (FastAPI, SQLModel, Typer) seem to be turning pretty much unmaintained : https://github.com/tiangolo/fastapi/discussions/3970 We've already been hit by multiple bugs with fixing PR opened, but left to rot, and missing documentation : the 'tutorial' documentation is great, but if you want a reference you have to go read the c…

Not to single you out, but are you or your business supporting the project (financially) in any way?

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by mathnmusic »

nanna wrote: post #3

I must learn Django, it's got everything I'll ever need. No, Rails will make me happy and it's better for lonely devs like me. No I must learn a Modern Web Framework (TM) to prove I'm not stuck in the past. No way, I'm not a fashionista. Have you seen that Phoenix demo where the guy builds Twitter in like 4 minutes? That's the future. Hold on a minute, enough of this magic. I need to learn to build everything in Comm…

You can experience all of this while staying in a single language ecosystem. Just recently, I had to build something in Javascript and got to know Express is no longer recommended. Fastify, Remix are the latest hotness. :)

Re: Django 4.0

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Post by mch82 »

theomega wrote: post #6

Great news! Just for reference: The latest release for Django Rest Framework is not compatible with Django 4.0 yet. At least my first attempts failed due to a missing `pytz` dependency. This is fixed in the `master` of DRF on Github. Installing `pytz` explicitly again to your project fixes DRF for now.

The transitional USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ setting might help.

Saw this in the extended release notes:

https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/4.0/releases/4.0/#zoneinfo...

> The Python standard library’s zoneinfo is now the default timezone implementation in Django.

> This is the next step in the migration from using pytz to using zoneinfo. Django 3.2 allowed the use of non-pytz time zones. Django 4.0 makes zoneinfo the default implementation. Support for pytz is now deprecated and will be removed in Django 5.0.

> …

> To give time for such an audit, the transitional USE_DEPRECATED_PYTZ setting allows continued use of pytz during the 4.x release cycle. This setting will be removed in Django 5.0.

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