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Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by Uehreka »

theplumber wrote: post #3
jaypinho wrote: post #2

Spent weeks investigating the mania around web3 and regret to say it does not live up to the hype.

I think it depends much of expectations. It actually exceeded my expectations. I recently built a small and useless program in solidity and deployed it within few hours. It's definitely better than what we had available years ago (i.e. on bitcoin platform) and I see a future for it. I think it has chances to survive in this age of censorship and surveillance. Something that really surprised me was the signing/metamas…

> I think it depends much of expectations.

Agreed (and I agree that ENS and the SSO stuff looks interesting). The problem here is that the crypto community are the ones setting the high expectations.

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Post by etaioinshrdlu »

TrackerFF wrote: post #8

RE: Censorship You often see advocates of decentralization hail networks for being pro-immutability, battling censorship. How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? I'm talking about things like CP, terrorist media, fake news, scams/frauds, and what not.

Crypto proponents are in favor of there being no technical restrictions that prevent such content being posted.

An interesting possibility is that illegal content gets permanently inserted into a blockchain, which could make running, for example, an ethereum node very illegal.

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by api »

serverholic wrote: post #5
theplumber wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it depends much of expectations. It actually exceeded my expectations. I recently built a small and useless program in solidity and deployed it within few hours. It's definitely better than what we had available years ago (i.e. on bitcoin platform) and I see a future for it. I think it has chances to survive in this age of censorship and surveillance. Something that really surprised me was the signing/metamas…

"Sign-In with Ethereum" will be huge. I purposefully avoid "Sign-in with Google" because putting too much power in a centralized authority terrifies me. I'd much rather have the convenience of "Sign-In with X" but backed by something I have control over.

IMHO this could be the "killer app" and is something I might actually use if it got sufficient traction and support.

OpenID gives a few organizations like Google, Okta, and Microsoft "root on the entire world." It terrifies me.

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Post by stolenmerch »

I really don't think that Mona Lisa example is correct. Maybe I misunderstand NFTs, but wouldn't it be more like a printmaker who can make as many copies as desired, but the museum sells something like the Artist's Proof and documents the sale in an official newsletter that goes out to all members? Yes, everyone else has a print or a poster version, but only one buyer has the Artist's Proof and can prove its provenance. Not a perfect analogy, but closer in my opinion.

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Post by jedimastert »

TrackerFF wrote: post #8

RE: Censorship You often see advocates of decentralization hail networks for being pro-immutability, battling censorship. How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? I'm talking about things like CP, terrorist media, fake news, scams/frauds, and what not.

I think if you look at the current decentralized options, especially Tor, the community has already made these decisions.

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Post by jeroenhd »

TrackerFF wrote: post #8

RE: Censorship You often see advocates of decentralization hail networks for being pro-immutability, battling censorship. How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? I'm talking about things like CP, terrorist media, fake news, scams/frauds, and what not.

In most cases, the answer is simple: you don't.

For example, IPFS "solves" this by allowing requests for takedowns per gateway. The upside of IPFS is that you can go after every host, the downside is that everyone knows what content you visit. The network still propagates the illegal content, so you end up with a witch hunt.

It's probably a good thing paedophiles haven't widely discovered IPFS+TOR.

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Post by GrayShade »

TrackerFF wrote: post #8

RE: Censorship You often see advocates of decentralization hail networks for being pro-immutability, battling censorship. How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? I'm talking about things like CP, terrorist media, fake news, scams/frauds, and what not.

How are they dealt with today? I haven't followed the blockchain tend, but IIRC there were programs that could encode arbitrary data into the blockchain history. What happens if someone puts CP in there?

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Post by api »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #12
TrackerFF wrote: post #8

RE: Censorship You often see advocates of decentralization hail networks for being pro-immutability, battling censorship. How does it deal with data you absolutely do _NOT_ want to be shared and propagated around? I'm talking about things like CP, terrorist media, fake news, scams/frauds, and what not.

Crypto proponents are in favor of there being no technical restrictions that prevent such content being posted. An interesting possibility is that illegal content gets permanently inserted into a blockchain, which could make running, for example, an ethereum node very illegal.

> An interesting possibility is that illegal content gets permanently inserted into a blockchain, which could make running, for example, an ethereum node very illegal.

I've heard this called a "pee in the pool attack."

Block chains like Ethereum and Bitcoin have one intrinsic defense: they don't support very large data objects. So that makes inserting CP problematic. But someone determined enough and willing to spend money could insert a really horrible image as a series of transactions.

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Post by thebean11 »

api wrote: post #18
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crypto proponents are in favor of there being no technical restrictions that prevent such content being posted. An interesting possibility is that illegal content gets permanently inserted into a blockchain, which could make running, for example, an ethereum node very illegal.

> An interesting possibility is that illegal content gets permanently inserted into a blockchain, which could make running, for example, an ethereum node very illegal. I've heard this called a "pee in the pool attack." Block chains like Ethereum and Bitcoin have one intrinsic defense: they don't support very large data objects. So that makes inserting CP problematic. But someone determined enough and willing to spend…

At that point you'd need additional data (which transactions) and software in order to stitch things back together, at which point is it the (disjointed, seemingly random) data that's illegal, or the instruction set that allows you to assemble it into something illegal?

Re: Web3? I have my DAOts

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Post by theplumber »

yepthatsreality wrote: post #7
serverholic wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Sign-In with Ethereum" will be huge. I purposefully avoid "Sign-in with Google" because putting too much power in a centralized authority terrifies me. I'd much rather have the convenience of "Sign-In with X" but backed by something I have control over.

Like OpenID?

OpenID is a closed system both to the end-user and the website owner based on secrets(`state` `code`, developer keys) from identity providers(google/facebook) not cryptography.
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