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Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

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Re: Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

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So, is this something that can actually make infrared light visible, or a coating that can be applied directly to sensors? (I suspect the headline is simply clickbait/a lie, just like most university press releases.)

Not unimaginable, a similar coating is on the inside of fluorescent lighting tubes.

Re: Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

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This will almost certainly be used for weapons in short order. Currently if you want thermal imaging or very low light capability you have to use very expensive substrates. Being able to use CMOS detectors for MWIR/LWIR would instantly increase available resolutions by an order of magnitude at any given price point, assuming these filters are actually relatively cheap.

Yep, if it works at all, ITAR will slap it with a "Don't even think about using this for anything" label.

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Re: Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

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So, is this something that can actually make infrared light visible, or a coating that can be applied directly to sensors? (I suspect the headline is simply clickbait/a lie, just like most university press releases.)

Not unimaginable, a similar coating is on the inside of fluorescent lighting tubes.

Not really, the coating on fluorescent tubes uses a quite different mechanism.

The phosphor coating of fluorescent tubes downconverts UV light into visible wavelengths (is, lower energy/frequency) through the process of fluorescence. The UV photons excite the electrons of the phosphor molecules to higher energy states, after which they emit photons at lower frequencies/energies (visible light) as they fluoresce back to the ground state.

In this case however, the IR to visible light conversion actually increases the energy and frequency of emitted photons.

Total energy must be conserved, so extra energy is incorporated in some way for the upconversion.

There was a plastic film material I saw a few decades ago that lights up when you shine infrared light on it, which was useful for testing IR transmitters and receivers. IIRC, that material only worked when it was bathed in visible light for some time prior to use, where the absorbed visible light acted as an energy bath to provide the required energy for the photon upconversion.

Re: Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not unimaginable, a similar coating is on the inside of fluorescent lighting tubes.

Not really, the coating on fluorescent tubes uses a quite different mechanism. The phosphor coating of fluorescent tubes downconverts UV light into visible wavelengths (is, lower energy/frequency) through the process of fluorescence. The UV photons excite the electrons of the phosphor molecules to higher energy states, after which they emit photons at lower frequencies/energies (visible light) as they fluoresce back…

"These shaking molecules can donate their energy to visible light that they encounter"

The extra energy comes from visible light. To me it sounds a bit like how transistors amplify a signal without violating energy conservation.

Re: Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not unimaginable, a similar coating is on the inside of fluorescent lighting tubes.

Not really, the coating on fluorescent tubes uses a quite different mechanism. The phosphor coating of fluorescent tubes downconverts UV light into visible wavelengths (is, lower energy/frequency) through the process of fluorescence. The UV photons excite the electrons of the phosphor molecules to higher energy states, after which they emit photons at lower frequencies/energies (visible light) as they fluoresce back…

Do you have an URL or reference for this film?

Thanks.

Re: Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

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Years ago I stumbled upon something related: it was a piece of transparent polymer or polycarbonate that would glow when exposed to infrared light. I tried to find it again repeatedly, but never managed to find it. Anyone knows this?

Do you mean something like this http://www.bromba.com/indicard/indicare.htm? I remember that we used this in experiments with IR lasers to ensure that the beam was where we expected it to be.

Re: Colour-changing magnifying glass gives clear view of infrared light

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post #2

This will almost certainly be used for weapons in short order. Currently if you want thermal imaging or very low light capability you have to use very expensive substrates. Being able to use CMOS detectors for MWIR/LWIR would instantly increase available resolutions by an order of magnitude at any given price point, assuming these filters are actually relatively cheap.

I doubt it. It sounds like it has to be “charged” with visible light or something. That means it’s unlikely to be useful some time after sundown, or after being used. I don’t see a military springing for that because it would put constraints on the types of operations they can run unless it adds significant upsides (such as an increase in FOV or something). I do see it being more useful for civilians though, who don’t need them at any random point of the night.
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