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They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by missedthecue »

azth wrote: post #5
blamazon wrote: post #3

See for yourself the Reddit forum that NYT alludes to: https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/ Notable rule on that subreddit: > Posts about non-public figures must redact the entire name(s) of everyone in every image. Block it out completely. Don't scribble and allow redacted names to leak through. Profile pictures are not allowed and must be blocked out.

Reddit has a similar subreddit for the opposite, people who didn't take the vaccine and died, and it's also so filthy. Seems hypocritical of NY times not to report on it.

What's the difference in subscriber numbers? Probably one or more orders of magnitude. I've never even heard of the one you're alluding to.

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by Reuzel »

krageon wrote: post #8
Reuzel wrote: post #2

Good to highlight this. I became aware of the evils of the "alt-right" when they started trolling suicide memorial pages. This is a similar attack coming from the polar side of the political spectrum. You cannot claim the moral high-ground after this. If the pro-vaccine left does not distance itself from this ugly evil within their midsts, it should go a similar route as the alt-right did, in the eyes of the public:…

This exact rhetoric is something you often hear whenever any sort of left leaning person does anything remotely incriminating. It's really hard to separate the reasonable criticism from the neonazi trolling, which usually leaves one to search for embedded dog whistles. Of which this post has a few. I will leave it up to you if that is something you wish to address.

No, it is time we see this evil for what it is.

You are the marxist troll here, unable to view criticism. But following my observation, that would be like expecting an alt-right neonazi to see the errors of their views.

You don't get the benefit of "good intentions" and "moral high-ground" anymore. Stop claiming it. Left up to you it will degenerate into evil like this.

You can shove your dog whistle up your loose asshole, listen if it still makes a sound when you type. Should make it easier to locate.

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by makotech222 »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #4

this is one of the many reason the left has left me. things like /r/covidatemyface and /r/HermanCainAward/ - full of so-called progressives and their endless pseudo-empathy, not seeing this as opportunity to increase understanding about this situation and more as an tribalistic moment to "score points" and have a good laugh at the ignorance and death of others and the pain their families have to endure in the wake of…

these are liberals, not leftists

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by ZeroCool2u »

azth wrote: post #5
blamazon wrote: post #3

See for yourself the Reddit forum that NYT alludes to: https://old.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/ Notable rule on that subreddit: > Posts about non-public figures must redact the entire name(s) of everyone in every image. Block it out completely. Don't scribble and allow redacted names to leak through. Profile pictures are not allowed and must be blocked out.

Reddit has a similar subreddit for the opposite, people who didn't take the vaccine and died, and it's also so filthy. Seems hypocritical of NY times not to report on it.

> Reddit has a similar subreddit for the opposite, people who didn't take the vaccine and died

/r/HermanCainAward is the subreddit you're referring to here.

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by giantg2 »

Is this really news? I don't think this is a new phenomenon. I think most of us have witnessed comments like this in one topic or another - 'people who didn't get vaccinated deserved to die' (or the old gay people and AIDS stuff), 'anti-gun Baldwin killed more people than all of my guns' (other old Ted Kennedy car saying), etc.

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by jordanpg »

Putting aside any special reverence we might have for the dead, I guess the abstract question is: is there any social value to publicly shaming those who uncritically call into question settled scientific claims, putting others at risk?

I would say there is some value. Our society will not survive if it is socially acceptable to do this. COVID is exhibit A. Climate science is exhibit B.

Settled scientific matters, like the usefulness of safe vaccines, is not on the same playing field as politics or religion. If there is a belief among some that settled scientific questions are a matter of non-expert public debate, then that needs to be corrected. Public shaming might help.

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by toomuchtodo »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #4

this is one of the many reason the left has left me. things like /r/covidatemyface and /r/HermanCainAward/ - full of so-called progressives and their endless pseudo-empathy, not seeing this as opportunity to increase understanding about this situation and more as an tribalistic moment to "score points" and have a good laugh at the ignorance and death of others and the pain their families have to endure in the wake of…

You can be progressive and not have any compassion left for ignorance. Don’t confuse policy positions with being a doormat for those who equate beliefs and opinions with facts (which is troubling frequent in a post truth world).

My apologies to Meta, “data wins arguments.” All of this loss (r/HCA) was mostly avoidable (based on all available information) with a free vaccine, and the subreddit raised over $56k [1] for vaccine donations to those who were not so lucky to have it freely available.

(Posted while waiting for my child’s COVID vaccination to be administered)

[1] https://gogiveone.org/coalition/

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by happytoexplain »

Reuzel wrote: post #2

Good to highlight this. I became aware of the evils of the "alt-right" when they started trolling suicide memorial pages. This is a similar attack coming from the polar side of the political spectrum. You cannot claim the moral high-ground after this. If the pro-vaccine left does not distance itself from this ugly evil within their midsts, it should go a similar route as the alt-right did, in the eyes of the public:…

>You cannot claim the moral high-ground after this.

Who is "you"? An individual decrying the trolling of suicide victims while themselves trolling COVID victims? Then yes, you're right. But "the alt-right" is not a single person, nor is whatever their polar opposite is. This fallacy is at the heart of virtually all political bitterness. I do believe when something horrible happens and is highly correlated with a political group, leaders of that group should denounce it, but when something horrible happens in group A and a similar horrible thing happens in group B, that doesn't inherently mean that anybody is a hypocrite. It just means that horrible people are members of both groups.

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Post by eertami »

krageon wrote: post #8
Reuzel wrote: post #2

Good to highlight this. I became aware of the evils of the "alt-right" when they started trolling suicide memorial pages. This is a similar attack coming from the polar side of the political spectrum. You cannot claim the moral high-ground after this. If the pro-vaccine left does not distance itself from this ugly evil within their midsts, it should go a similar route as the alt-right did, in the eyes of the public:…

This exact rhetoric is something you often hear whenever any sort of left leaning person does anything remotely incriminating. It's really hard to separate the reasonable criticism from the neonazi trolling, which usually leaves one to search for embedded dog whistles. Of which this post has a few. I will leave it up to you if that is something you wish to address.

I'm always suspicious about who is actually making these posts. Surely it is obvious to them that nobody would ever fall for it or treat it in good faith. The only conclusion that seems to make any sense is that the authors are being paid to write these comments.

Re: They Died from Covid. Then the Online Attacks Started

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Post by mindslight »

loudtieblahblah wrote: post #4

this is one of the many reason the left has left me. things like /r/covidatemyface and /r/HermanCainAward/ - full of so-called progressives and their endless pseudo-empathy, not seeing this as opportunity to increase understanding about this situation and more as an tribalistic moment to "score points" and have a good laugh at the ignorance and death of others and the pain their families have to endure in the wake of…

It makes sense to reject the groupthink of the Parties and see the merit in both left and right flavored analyses of issues. But your focusing on "the left" is indicative that your comment isn't straightforward. The few long tail extremists associated with either Party aren't an indictment of the core, rather they're a straw man for the other Party to bash to shore up their own ranks.
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