Australians need an internet freedom party. While the "Keep Sydney Open Party" did not win any seats, it got so close that lockout laws (can't go into a bar or club after 1:30am, can't buy shots after midnight) finally got repealled.
Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls
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#12>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.
The Wild West lasted 30 years. Significant amounts of land damage, violence against women and indigenous people happened. Cowboys were overwhelmingly Spanish speaking. It wasn't America's finest libertarian dream, cattle barons exploited everyone, consumers included. Chicago was a nightmare of meat packing. Mass immigration was in full swing. No part of the world is away from government reach, you espouse a fantasy.
If no part of the world is away from government reach we still have a lot of work to do. "The Net Interprets Censorship As Damage and Routes Around It".
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Wild West lasted 30 years. Significant amounts of land damage, violence against women and indigenous people happened. Cowboys were overwhelmingly Spanish speaking. It wasn't America's finest libertarian dream, cattle barons exploited everyone, consumers included. Chicago was a nightmare of meat packing. Mass immigration was in full swing. No part of the world is away from government reach, you espouse a fantasy.
Your answer not true. In fact, the "Wild West" is still in fact a reality. 1. Land damage as in the largest public lands system in the world? 2. Violence against women who were among the first in the world given the right to vote? 3. Violence against people that were plenty violent? 4. Cowboys spoke many languages. Your point is what? 5. Chicago is the "Wild West", huh? 6. Immigration is good, depending. Leave the in…
Why do you think the cows existed? Chicago is where the wild west cows wound up. Cowboys existed because barons of beef on the hoof wanted cheap Mexican (Spanish speaking) vaccero labour to move cattle, trampling down sheep and other farming fences, to exploit prairie grasses without paying land damage costs, to ship meat to Chicago to feed the exploding eastern state population.
Cowboy culture and wild West was exploitative bullshit, both literally and figuratively. What was happening was a fight between expansion for cows, other farming, and the sweep westward. It lasted 30 years before it was legalised into normality. Dodge city cowboys are a myth based on thin facts and nothing about the wild west is good regarding internet governance
Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls
#14>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.
this might have been a popular idea among some libertarian hackers in the 90s but I'm not sure how many people you're going to get on board with the notion that the internet should be ungovernable and out of the reach of law enforcement.
I'm in favor of having robust freedoms both online and offline don't get me wrong but I don't see the internet as some sort of mystical realm and I don't want anarchy on the internet for the same reason I don't want it in the neighborhood I live. The 'online world' is not some space any more that is solely a refuge for people who felt maligned in the 'normal' world, it's part of the fabric of everyday life and that means it can't be a playground without rules.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Wild West lasted 30 years. Significant amounts of land damage, violence against women and indigenous people happened. Cowboys were overwhelmingly Spanish speaking. It wasn't America's finest libertarian dream, cattle barons exploited everyone, consumers included. Chicago was a nightmare of meat packing. Mass immigration was in full swing. No part of the world is away from government reach, you espouse a fantasy.
If no part of the world is away from government reach we still have a lot of work to do. "The Net Interprets Censorship As Damage and Routes Around It".
How does this enhance the argument regarding Australian anti trolling laws? Read one way it says "they'll fail" so why care...
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your answer not true. In fact, the "Wild West" is still in fact a reality. 1. Land damage as in the largest public lands system in the world? 2. Violence against women who were among the first in the world given the right to vote? 3. Violence against people that were plenty violent? 4. Cowboys spoke many languages. Your point is what? 5. Chicago is the "Wild West", huh? 6. Immigration is good, depending. Leave the in…
> Leave the internet out of your politics, please. Your comment would have a lot more value without this cheap attack. The article and all the comments are about the politics of the internet. OP has the right to express their opinion, however wrong they might feel to you.
The wild west is a really bad metaphor for internet governance at any time. Firstly by sheer weight of numbers it's China and India who carry the users. Secondly it never had a deregulated state, ever, since before ARPAnet telecommunications were fully regulated state or post monopolised regulated by the outcomes of the RBOC lawsuits.
This "we need more wild west" is a fantasy. It ignores pretty much all current governance and community consensus processes everywhere. Not even John Perry Barlow believed his own quote applied to all things all the time.
The IETF is not the wild west. IANA is not the wild west. BGP speaking is not the wild west.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
If no part of the world is away from government reach we still have a lot of work to do. "The Net Interprets Censorship As Damage and Routes Around It".
How does this enhance the argument regarding Australian anti trolling laws? Read one way it says "they'll fail" so why care...
Oh, I always interpreted as as a guiding principle for system design.
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#18>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.
this might have been a popular idea among some libertarian hackers in the 90s but I'm not sure how many people you're going to get on board with the notion that the internet should be ungovernable and out of the reach of law enforcement. I'm in favor of having robust freedoms both online and offline don't get me wrong but I don't see the internet as some sort of mystical realm and I don't want anarchy on the internet…
I'd settle for free speech and no censorship .
Re: Australia to introduce new laws to force media platforms to unmask online trolls
#19>The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people I can't express how much I hate this. The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion.
>The online world SHOULD be a wild west, away from government reach, in my opinion. I would agree to an extent, but I think there are a few examples where the government should step in. Child porn being the biggest.
All of the things where this legitimately applies are things that aren't really happening on the internet. They're happening in some specific place.
Are there pedophiles abusing children in your country? Then go arrest them. They won't be posting anything on the internet while they're in prison.
Are there pedophiles abusing children in some other country? That is that country's problem, not yours.
Nothing about the internet has to change in order to do this.
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