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Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

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Re: Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

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One of the wonderful things about America is that anyone is free to up and move to Europe whenever they want.

> One of the wonderful things about America is that anyone is free to up and move to Europe whenever they want.

Oh sure. People living paycheck to paycheck are just one decision away from moving to the EU.

Re: Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

#12

That title is a non-starter for so many Americans. Any such shifts need to be sold without reference to foreign lands.

Tesla made EVs sexy. In the same way, you have to make living more efficiently sexy. Less overwhelming consumerism, more conscientious and intentional consumption, with a bit of camping’s “leave no trace” thrown in.

Re: Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

#13

One of the wonderful things about America is that anyone is free to up and move to Europe whenever they want.

> One of the wonderful things about America is that anyone is free to up and move to Europe whenever they want. Oh sure. People living paycheck to paycheck are just one decision away from moving to the EU.

Europe is not the EU and vice versa.

Re: Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One of the wonderful things about America is that anyone is free to up and move to Europe whenever they want. Oh sure. People living paycheck to paycheck are just one decision away from moving to the EU.

Europe is not the EU and vice versa.

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Re: Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

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That title is a non-starter for so many Americans. Any such shifts need to be sold without reference to foreign lands.

Tesla made EVs sexy. In the same way, you have to make living more efficiently sexy. Less overwhelming consumerism, more conscientious and intentional consumption, with a bit of camping’s “leave no trace” thrown in.

Tesla made a high performance electric car. Its nothing like "conscientious and intentional comsumption". They didn't make having a wussy electric car cool, they made a powerful electric car. The parallel I could maybe see to efficient living is making it zero cost, or somehow more rewarding, instead of asking people to cut back. This comes from better technology, whether its cheap efficient lights or lab grown meat that actually tastes and nourishes like meat or carbon capture or whatever.

Re: Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

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The article utterly sucks. It's essentially a clickbaity rendition of the banal rant about American consumerism.

The arguments are poorly constructed, even when there is a point to be made. The sentence "Americans haven't always acted like this. We've entered an age of overabundance." is followed by a a graph showing that Americans consumed more than major European countries at least since 1990. (And I don't think that graph is purchasing power parity adjusted)

Apart from the confusing graph, most of the numbers in the article don't have a corresponding European version for comparison.

What has happened to the Manhattan Institute? I kinda thought their senior fellows were better than this.

Re: Americans Need to Learn to Live More Like Europeans

#17

One of the wonderful things about America is that anyone is free to up and move to Europe whenever they want.

> One of the wonderful things about America is that anyone is free to up and move to Europe whenever they want. Oh sure. People living paycheck to paycheck are just one decision away from moving to the EU.

I get a lot of these types lecturing on Europe, despite living quite frugally and efficiently.

The ones who spend all their energy babbling away at me about how much better it is in Europe generally did their absolute best to leave there and come here (to the US). And I generally consume less than they do.

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