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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by philovivero »

civilized wrote: post #6
ashleyn wrote: post #2

This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Meta and it's going to be funny when no one else does either. They haven't earned it. Google, whatever its problems, gives some indication of keeping up with the times. Aside from undisputed leadership in AI, there are the little things: they recently overhauled…

That's an interesting take. Most everyone I know find Google's chat changes utter shit, and have found alternatives. Personally, I dumped it and joined a Slack community of the one person I talked with most on it.

Besides being a complete disaster, UI-wise, it freezes up and ceases working constantly in the web UI. The remaining people I know who stay on Google's chat... I simply cannot talk to anymore. I send them email or use an alternative chat service they're on.

You might consider a different example of how you feel Google is keeping up with the times.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#12

Post by fullshark »

civilized wrote: post #6
ashleyn wrote: post #2

This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Meta and it's going to be funny when no one else does either. They haven't earned it. Google, whatever its problems, gives some indication of keeping up with the times. Aside from undisputed leadership in AI, there are the little things: they recently overhauled…

The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebook is trying to make that shift a reality (Waymo excepted).

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#13

Post by gumby »

endisneigh wrote: post #3

employees of all companies are more willing to leave lately. for this to be meaningful it needs to control for that.

Normally I’d agree with you but I think this article topic is fair. FB is a high profile company that has been an aspirational employer for many people (esp outside the valley) over several years. For that to change is interesting.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

#14

Post by civilized »

philovivero wrote: post #11
civilized wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Meta and it's going to be funny when no one else does either. They haven't earned it. Google, whatever its problems, gives some indication of keeping up with the times. Aside from undisputed leadership in AI, there are the little things: they recently overhauled…

That's an interesting take. Most everyone I know find Google's chat changes utter shit, and have found alternatives. Personally, I dumped it and joined a Slack community of the one person I talked with most on it. Besides being a complete disaster, UI-wise, it freezes up and ceases working constantly in the web UI. The remaining people I know who stay on Google's chat... I simply cannot talk to anymore. I send them e…

> You might consider a different example of how you feel Google is keeping up with the times.

Nah, it's okay that I feel differently about a feature than you and say so publicly.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by rossdavidh »

On the one hand, is this surprising? Once you get as big as FB, it is inevitable that it is no longer the same kind of work environment as it was when it was a hot startup or a new titan. FB is not new. It is no doubt changing on account of that, because the way the world reacts to it is changing. They wanted to start their own currency, which many startups do, but because they were FB, the governments of the world made it clear they would not be allowed to succeed in that. When you are big, you cannot "move fast and break things" without triggering a much larger backlash from the world around you, and this inevitably means you don't move as fast.

On the other hand, I don't doubt that they are going to have to worry more about work-life balance and things like that, because they cannot just use their status as the new titan to recruit with (because they're no longer new). So, like many no-longer-new tech titans before them, they will have to change how they recruit and retain. FB is now more like Microsoft, IBM, or Intel than it is like the FB of old.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by dymk »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #8
hungryforcodes wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about that. I think management and culture would be the deciding factor. In fact our age demands diversity in the workplace and age is one of those dimentions.

"Demands diversity", really? You think people won't use FB's products as much if they don't hire enough older people?

Right now, “diversity” refers to skin color and occasionally gender

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by jd115 »

While this is a trend across the board since the pandemic, for Facebook it is particularly troublesome because it's deeper rooted than at other companies. On an almost daily basis it is becoming more and more public knowledge that Facebook is in more legal trouble than it can handle and that the company no longer has much good standing in society (which, for a "social" media company, is a bit of a problem). Young people are not stupid, no one wants to work at a company with no future, even if it still pays well. The root of all these problems is, of course, the toxicity of Zuck.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by civilized »

fullshark wrote: post #12
civilized wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Meta and it's going to be funny when no one else does either. They haven't earned it. Google, whatever its problems, gives some indication of keeping up with the times. Aside from undisputed leadership in AI, there are the little things: they recently overhauled…

The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebook is trying to make that shift a reality (Waymo excepted).

Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now?

And Google has led in AI for the past decade so I'm not sure how you got the impression that FB is doing and Google is just sitting on cash. Looks exactly opposite to me.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Post by JKCalhoun »

ashleyn wrote: post #2

This bodes very poorly for Facebook. The money may still come in but forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference between a trendy company like Facebook and a corporate monolith like Oracle.

> forward-thinking younger talent can be the crucial difference

Are engineers really the ones driving at the company? I think that has not been true in "the industry" for a decade now. Marketing, upper-management are the ones steering the ships now — engineers just row.

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