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Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by walterbell »

ohazi wrote: post #10
walterbell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong. Hopefully we will investigate why almost all (rare) deaths after vaccination can be attributed to only 5% of lot numbers, a statistical anomaly with no easy explanation since this power-law curve appears in the data for both mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) and non-mRNA (J&J) shots. Could the reason be variance in manufacturing or di…

Source?

Official VAERS data. Anyone can download the data and perform the analysis after importing into a SQL database.

Since someone is inevitably going to criticize VAERS as a data source: it would be trivial for CDC to release a comparable non-VAERS analysis from Vaccine Safety Datalink, their non-public surveillance dataset. While VAERS is flawed due to self-reporting, there are legal penalties for submitting false information, no legal penalties for failing to submit an adverse event report, and bureaucratic and time overhead for each submitted case. So there are also arguments that VAERS is missing data.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by twofornone »

dntrkv wrote: post #9
herdcall wrote: post #5

I'm not sure the infection rates are reliable: vaccinated folks are much more likely to be asymptomatic or experience mild symptoms, so are much less likely to be tested to confirm infection vs. unvaccinated ones.

But vaccinated people are more likely to take a COVID test.

Why would they take a covid test if they believe they are immune?

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by ajross »

walterbell wrote: post #7
ajross wrote: post #3

tl;dr: Vaccination status correlates with a 13x reduction of infection risk and a 20x reduction of death risk. Now, to be clear that's a confounded number. The vaccinated are also likely to be taking other mitigation strategies seriously. So the vaccine itself will be somewhat less effective than this. Nonetheless, this is pretty damning for the horse paste set. In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how…

> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong. Hopefully we will investigate why almost all (rare) deaths after vaccination can be attributed to only 5% of lot numbers, a statistical anomaly with no easy explanation since this power-law curve appears in the data for both mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) and non-mRNA (J&J) shots. Could the reason be variance in manufacturing or di…

VAERS data is raw, is not a controlled study (it's literally just a collection of voluntary reports), has minimal data quality control, and includes all cause deaths. It's what you use to find crumbs worth study, not what you use to drive conspiracy theories on the internet.

Basically, if you aren't an epidemiologist don't touch that stuff, it isn't for you. That's the equivalent of announcing you can land a plane because you played MSFS in the 90's.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by muzika »

walterbell wrote: post #4

From the CDC website, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > people are considered fully vaccinated: 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine Until 14 days after the final dose, in addition to the risk of Covid infection or injury, there is risk of non-Covid…

If a person dies within 14 days after taking the vaccine (eg due to side effects), it is counted as an “unvaccinated covid-related death”?

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Post by pupppet »

twofornone wrote: post #12
dntrkv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But vaccinated people are more likely to take a COVID test.

Why would they take a covid test if they believe they are immune?

Who says the vaccinated believe they're immune? I certainly don't.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by itsananderson »

twofornone wrote: post #12
dntrkv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But vaccinated people are more likely to take a COVID test.

Why would they take a covid test if they believe they are immune?

Because vaccinated people mostly don't believe they're immune. We believe we have a strong protection against infection and a stronger protection against death, but that doesn't mean immunity.

My wife and I have been fully vaccinated since May, but we've had several tests since then (so far all negative) when we learned about contact with infected people or were experiencing suspicious symptoms.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by walterbell »

ajross wrote: post #13
walterbell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong. Hopefully we will investigate why almost all (rare) deaths after vaccination can be attributed to only 5% of lot numbers, a statistical anomaly with no easy explanation since this power-law curve appears in the data for both mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) and non-mRNA (J&J) shots. Could the reason be variance in manufacturing or di…

VAERS data is raw, is not a controlled study (it's literally just a collection of voluntary reports), has minimal data quality control, and includes all cause deaths. It's what you use to find crumbs worth study, not what you use to drive conspiracy theories on the internet. Basically, if you aren't an epidemiologist don't touch that stuff, it isn't for you. That's the equivalent of announcing you can land a plane be…

Argument that VAERS is under-reporting events: https://www.skirsch.com/covid/TFNT11.pdf

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by rvnx »

ajross wrote: post #13
walterbell wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In decades to come we'll wonder and think and study how this all went so horrifically wrong. Hopefully we will investigate why almost all (rare) deaths after vaccination can be attributed to only 5% of lot numbers, a statistical anomaly with no easy explanation since this power-law curve appears in the data for both mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) and non-mRNA (J&J) shots. Could the reason be variance in manufacturing or di…

VAERS data is raw, is not a controlled study (it's literally just a collection of voluntary reports), has minimal data quality control, and includes all cause deaths. It's what you use to find crumbs worth study, not what you use to drive conspiracy theories on the internet. Basically, if you aren't an epidemiologist don't touch that stuff, it isn't for you. That's the equivalent of announcing you can land a plane be…

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=221...

According to VAERS, alien abduction may occur with certain type of vaccines.

Re: Covid-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status

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Post by walterbell »

muzika wrote: post #14
walterbell wrote: post #4

From the CDC website, https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac... > people are considered fully vaccinated: 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine Until 14 days after the final dose, in addition to the risk of Covid infection or injury, there is risk of non-Covid…

If a person dies within 14 days after taking the vaccine (eg due to side effects), it is counted as an “unvaccinated covid-related death”?

In the US, that was the case for most of 2021. Around Q3 2021, some reports started including numbers for "partly vaccinated".

If there isn't a separate line item for cases prior to 14-days-after-final-shot, then those are usually rolled into "not vaccinated" or "unvaccinated".

Some countries have always had separate reporting for partly-vaccinated.

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