Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?
I could tell you, but I would get banned.
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#12Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?
FWIW, didn't the US just blacklist Pegasus?
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#13To be fair, it is quite murky to what extent groups like Al-Haq are associated with the PFLP (which, with its history of aircraft hijackings and suicide bombings, is undoubtedly a terrorist group). There is plenty of purported evidence of financial and personnel links out there, and I really doubt HN is the right forum to decide either way (unless someone is an expert).
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#14Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?
Less true today, but historically:
“Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.” — Alexander Haig (former Secretary of State under Reagan and four-star general.)
Today they have a lot of common economic interests and trade, similar to a European country.
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#15Slightly OT - Isn't it obvious that NSO must be able to control every "copy" of Pegasus it sells?
They wouldn't sell it unless they were absolutely sure it wouldn't be used against its own people and they have no problem selling to their arch enemies.
NSO's defense has always been "we just sell the tech and can't be held responsible for what our clients do with it" (this was clear from the Darknet Diaries episode).
If you consider they must be able to control it, and are therefore perfectly capable of monitoring it, then they become much more complicit in what's being done with it. Same story if somehow 1 license = 1 target. This is something that I don't think was explored enough in DD.
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#16Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?
I think it is a fair question, but asking questions and hypothesizing reasons will get you labeled as antisemitic. My guess is at some point Israel infiltrated high levels of government and got compromising information, and used that to continue to exert influence and control in American politics with access to confidential national security information and technology.
I think this is quite a reach and of course completely unsubstantiated.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it is a fair question, but asking questions and hypothesizing reasons will get you labeled as antisemitic. My guess is at some point Israel infiltrated high levels of government and got compromising information, and used that to continue to exert influence and control in American politics with access to confidential national security information and technology.
I believe there was an explicit project by the Israeli government to do this called the Hasbara project. There is a wikipedia page about it which goes into some detail about the (successful) implementation in the United States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_of_Israel
Where in the linked article does it say "Israel infiltrated high levels of government and got compromising information"?
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#18Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?
I think it is a fair question, but asking questions and hypothesizing reasons will get you labeled as antisemitic. My guess is at some point Israel infiltrated high levels of government and got compromising information, and used that to continue to exert influence and control in American politics with access to confidential national security information and technology.
Israel is just better friends with the US than Middle Eastern states are. Nothing antisemitic or sinister. No need to get all conspiratorial about it.
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#20Can someone explain the strong ties between US and Israel, and why US stands behind Israel, no matter what?
A more instructive question might be (warning: this is meant to get people thinking, but at least I'll be straight forward about it):
Why does nobody else follow up on the UN resolution from 1948?
(Just like in the case of India / Pakistan UN decided to divide the area into two parts, one for Jews, one for Arabs.)
I can also ask: why does so few other support the single somewhat functioning democracy in the region?
Then, on to your question: After initially being supportive of Israel, USSR took the other side early on and propped up the surrounding nations with weapons so US was kind of forced to do it.
Later on it has turned out to be a beneficial although controversial deal for both parts.