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I spoke up about Rivian’s toxic bro culture and got fired

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Re: I spoke up about Rivian’s toxic bro culture and got fired

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As a PR move. To be seen as a diverse employer by clueless outsiders.

Assuming this is your motive you wouldn't put a token diversity hire in charge of the thing that drives your revenue. You would put them in a bullshit job that had no impact on your top or bottom lines.

It’s not an either-or, she describes her female colleagues in other positions saying the same thing.

In this case, Rivian got to brag that they poached a well-respected executive with experience managing sales for a small but high-status brand. This assured investors, lenders, and the market for their IPO that they’re “growing up” and “scaling for success.” Meanwhile, they got to do whatever they felt like doing with the investment money, because they had zero intention of doing anything said executive proposed.

Given sufficiently sexist and misogynist executives, hiring a woman for a role they had no intention of empowering makes even more sense than hiring a man, because misogynists would respect a man and feel bad about marginalizing them.

Re: I spoke up about Rivian’s toxic bro culture and got fired

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Assuming this is your motive you wouldn't put a token diversity hire in charge of the thing that drives your revenue. You would put them in a bullshit job that had no impact on your top or bottom lines.

It’s not an either-or, she describes her female colleagues in other positions saying the same thing. In this case, Rivian got to brag that they poached a well-respected executive with experience managing sales for a small but high-status brand. This assured investors, lenders, and the market for their IPO that they’re “growing up” and “scaling for success.” Meanwhile, they got to do whatever they felt like doing with…

Sure, this is possible but based on her experience she should already be good at navigating in male dominated auto environments based on her career. The lack of details and the cynic in me tells me that if she was at-will and was fired the only way she can sue is by claiming title VII discrimination. Timing wise it also helps that they have the IPO looming. I'd love to read the actual case filing but I can't find it. If she's right I hope she wins but based on the article I am highly skeptical.

Re: I spoke up about Rivian’s toxic bro culture and got fired

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It’s not an either-or, she describes her female colleagues in other positions saying the same thing. In this case, Rivian got to brag that they poached a well-respected executive with experience managing sales for a small but high-status brand. This assured investors, lenders, and the market for their IPO that they’re “growing up” and “scaling for success.” Meanwhile, they got to do whatever they felt like doing with…

Sure, this is possible but based on her experience she should already be good at navigating in male dominated auto environments based on her career. The lack of details and the cynic in me tells me that if she was at-will and was fired the only way she can sue is by claiming title VII discrimination. Timing wise it also helps that they have the IPO looming. I'd love to read the actual case filing but I can't find it.…

I will summarize your reply as:

1. If it happened the way she says it happened, it’s her fault. She ought to have known how to deal with this.

2. Alternatively, she’s a lying, scheming, conniving woman.

I have nothing else to say to you.

Re: I spoke up about Rivian’s toxic bro culture and got fired

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VP of sales and marketing of a 54B valuation company tends to have a bit more scrutiny so this doesn't really seem apples to apples. That aside, perhaps they didn't like her and it had nothing to do with gender?

Perhaps they did, or perhaps you are dragging in your own prejudices here.

Re: I spoke up about Rivian’s toxic bro culture and got fired

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VP of sales and marketing of a 54B valuation company tends to have a bit more scrutiny so this doesn't really seem apples to apples. That aside, perhaps they didn't like her and it had nothing to do with gender?

Perhaps they did, or perhaps you are dragging in your own prejudices here.

Anything is possible. The difference between us is that you are starting with the arguably paranoid assumption that "the patriarchy" is the root of the problem and I'm starting with the Occam's razor assumption they simply didn't like her.

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Perhaps they did, or perhaps you are dragging in your own prejudices here.

Anything is possible. The difference between us is that you are starting with the arguably paranoid assumption that "the patriarchy" is the root of the problem and I'm starting with the Occam's razor assumption they simply didn't like her.

Yes, and I have a piece of evidence: the article, and you are just making stuff up.

Re: I spoke up about Rivian’s toxic bro culture and got fired

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Anything is possible. The difference between us is that you are starting with the arguably paranoid assumption that "the patriarchy" is the root of the problem and I'm starting with the Occam's razor assumption they simply didn't like her.

Yes, and I have a piece of evidence: the article, and you are just making stuff up.

The article by itself is not evidence.
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