New laws mean forcing others to conform to our expectations of their behavior. This is only acceptable when there is a broad social consensus about the necessity of the law. There is no such consensus regarding how social media should operate.
Nicholas Carr on how to fix social media
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#12Delete it?
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#13Can't we just go back to the era where the "feed" or the "wall" was just the posts of our friends / the people we follow sorted by posting date and not this horrible algorithm made to show you infinite content ?
Twitter stays closer to this idea than Facebook. I basically see only posts from people I follow. I can even turn off retweets. Not perfect but it's not "endless".
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#14I don't think free speech was meant to only defend "private communication". What a weird article.
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#15Can't we just go back to the era where the "feed" or the "wall" was just the posts of our friends / the people we follow sorted by posting date and not this horrible algorithm made to show you infinite content ?
You only have to convince your friends to join you. Technically it is certainly still possible.
I would expect most Fediverse applications don't have much of a ranking algorithm yet, or at least it should be configurable.
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#16Can't we just go back to the era where the "feed" or the "wall" was just the posts of our friends / the people we follow sorted by posting date and not this horrible algorithm made to show you infinite content ?
I do this in Twitter with lists. They don't make it obvious, but lists actually make it quite usable once you've set them up.
Facebook (or Instagram) don't seem to have good options for this so for the most part I don't use them.
Discord works chronologically, for now at least, and as long as it does I'll be happy to keep chatting with my friends there.
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#17I've yet to see compelling evidence that social media itself is a problem in and of itself (outside of teens but IIRC FB/Insta disallow kids until 13 to use their service per TOS).
I see a lot of stuff like, "Terrorists use the platform to organize and plan attacks!", which is true...but that seems like you should be solving that by solving the reasons people want to be terrorizing, not by attacking the mediums they use. If you want to attack mediums, then you'd be just as justified wiping away USPS as you would FB/Insta. It just seems like FB is being used as a scapegoat for lawmakers to avoid actually solving problems instead of pretending to solve them.
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#18I don't want social media to censor me, people I want to communicate with or people I don't ever want to communicate with.
I want tools that help me communicate with other people. Learn things, get exposed to new ideas. And we can't have that with a huge system designed to prevent people from saying the wrong things.
Our ability to communicate and learn freely is dependent on the ability for people we disagree with to also have this ability. You will be censored if you want other people censored.
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#19My 2 cents on how to fix social media, maybe it is stupid but to ban any political discussion. People LOVE talking about politics especially in their personal community (echo chamber). I swear this is the most fun political people have had on the internet in 20 years. It’s too bad it just becomes an echo chamber. We had a community group for our town on Facebook, all it was was fake accounts and people talking shit a…
You realize that under your proposal, your own proposal would be banned right? You are advocating policy. That’s politics.
I think that kind of gotcha response is usually wrong. Yes, people need to be protected from politics, and that protection requires a certain nonzero minimum amount of politics. The same is true for guns, smallpox, etc.
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#20My 2 cents on how to fix social media, maybe it is stupid but to ban any political discussion. People LOVE talking about politics especially in their personal community (echo chamber). I swear this is the most fun political people have had on the internet in 20 years. It’s too bad it just becomes an echo chamber. We had a community group for our town on Facebook, all it was was fake accounts and people talking shit a…
What about instead to "counter immaturity in discussion", like we are trying to do here?
Achieving any kind of success at that is very much an outlier and can't possibly scale to all the forums currently on the internet at the moment. You may get a handful of places that reach the level that HN currently maintains but the overall effect will be the same as now.