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Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

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Re: Trolls will be jailed for ‘psychological harm’

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Post by batch12 »

lbriner wrote: post #9

I call BS. We already have about 100 times more laws than we have the capacity to prosecute so it's just noise. We already have laws about malicious communications but yet social media is still swimming with incredibly malicious content. Insulate Britain had a number of injunctions taken against them to not block main roads and when they do, they get arrested - 1 of them saying they had been arrested 11 times. Now re…

On the flip side, the more laws you have, the more impossible it is to not violate those laws. Then it's easier to arrest someone you just don't like.

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Post by apatters »

lbriner wrote: post #9

I call BS. We already have about 100 times more laws than we have the capacity to prosecute so it's just noise. We already have laws about malicious communications but yet social media is still swimming with incredibly malicious content. Insulate Britain had a number of injunctions taken against them to not block main roads and when they do, they get arrested - 1 of them saying they had been arrested 11 times. Now re…

We now have so many laws that my metric for assessing the relevance of any law has become - "how many people have been prosecuted under this law"

Statistically I doubt I will be the first.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

umvi wrote: post #13

A society where everyone is safe A society where everyone is free Choose one (Obviously real life is not so binary, but since freedoms are abused to inflict harm on others, removing the source of harm necessitates removing the freedom that led to it)

Weird comment. Why lead with a false dichotomy and then slide into everything is a gray area? Maybe pick an example and go with that?

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Post by md8z »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #6

subjectivity is loved by the powerful rule of subjectivity is, at the end of the day, rule of the powerful: when two parties disagree and the situation can be defined in primarily subjective terms, the most powerful party wins by hiding behind outcast, oppressed or unpopular groups with often legitimate (though perhaps subjective, to an extent) grievances, the powerful are able to push through the subjective zeitgeis…

What's subjective about it though? Do you think it is not possible by now for us to collectively come up with an objective definition of what trolling and abusive language is? To me it's pretty clear after spending just a few minutes on Twitter...

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Post by selfhoster11 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #16
umvi wrote: post #13

A society where everyone is safe A society where everyone is free Choose one (Obviously real life is not so binary, but since freedoms are abused to inflict harm on others, removing the source of harm necessitates removing the freedom that led to it)

Weird comment. Why lead with a false dichotomy and then slide into everything is a gray area? Maybe pick an example and go with that?

It's not a false dichotomy, it's a hyperbole meant to illustrate an uncomfortable trade-off.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

FundementalBrit wrote: post #3

Oh boy well this is another nail in the coffin for free speech in the UK. Back in my day it was just a given people said mean things on the internet.

>Back in my day it was just a given people said mean things on the internet.

Isn't this indicative of a serious problem though? If there were places IRL where the average person is subjected to a constant barrage of callousness it wouldn't continue to exist, would it?

Can we have free speech without accountability? In the past accountability seemed like a major factor.

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Post by Clubber »

md8z wrote: post #17
recursivedoubts wrote: post #6

subjectivity is loved by the powerful rule of subjectivity is, at the end of the day, rule of the powerful: when two parties disagree and the situation can be defined in primarily subjective terms, the most powerful party wins by hiding behind outcast, oppressed or unpopular groups with often legitimate (though perhaps subjective, to an extent) grievances, the powerful are able to push through the subjective zeitgeis…

What's subjective about it though? Do you think it is not possible by now for us to collectively come up with an objective definition of what trolling and abusive language is? To me it's pretty clear after spending just a few minutes on Twitter...

>for us to collectively come up with an objective definition

That's not how the game works, we don't collectively do anything, the powerful come up with the definition.

Just wait for a powerful person to take criticism and be able to jail the person because of "psychological harm."

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