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Why there aren't many innovators in China

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Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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Posterous. I had to use VPN to post. Seriously

Trying to run a web startup on a censored internet is like trying to build a skyscraper on a foundation which magically disappears.

ha ha, i'd take censorship over patents anyday.

Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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I'd like to know if Posterous itself is blocked in China or just the blog page?

Posterous. I had to use VPN to post. Seriously

If you don't mind my asking, why choose to post this specifically where it will be blocked for others in China?

Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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China has long culture of believing in studying hard and becoming part of the system as the route to success. (The imperial exam system.) Although it no longer formerly exists, there are analogues and the influence is still there. It is ingrained from birth that you study hard, get into the right university then reap the rewards. Beijing locals I talked to were puzzled by the idea that government workers in the west could get in trouble by accepting gifts and favours. In China, that's the main reason you would follow that career path.

This doesn't lead to a very entrepreneurial culture, although there are many who will still try to start their own business. Then you start to hit the barriers discussed in the article. Another barrier you can hit is that if you start to become successful, the government will appoint a party member to your management. Further, if you are in certain fields, the government erects tax and regulatory obstacles that will create an advantage for state-owned enterprises.

It's unfortunate... there are enough in the under-35 age group, who might actually break out of the old culture and innovate. They face a lot of obstacles and that will be bad for China's long-term outlook.

Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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Where's the incentive to innovate if you have a huge market with tremendous cultural barriers to entry for the most innovative companies in the rest of the world?

Agreed. The risk for innovating is too high. When there are ideas up for grabs in the US, why not just take it and localize it. This is simply a rational decision.

Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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In America intelligence is seen as Yankee ingenuity, building a better mousetrap. Talking back to your superiors and finding a better way is smiled on if you can produce results in the states.

In china, intelligence is seen as efficiency, doing something well, getting the right boxes filled on the exam, non-intelligence related things that are called intelligence. Go talking about how the yuan is pegged to the dollar instead of gold and the government won't hire you because you aren't parroting the group think (I have experience talking to some china-women about this). Try to break out of your class and get beaten back into it.

It's the culture. I really think if china could break out of it's meek-slave mentality and have them start thinking that the Earth is theirs for the taking if they want it, then it could blow United States out of the water a thousand times over. Educate the meek slave class sleeping giant with care! It took thousands of years to craft a group of people who will work and not fight back when exploited.

Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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I'm a Chinese Malaysian and pretty familiar with Chinese culture and their ways. For those of you who might be skeptical, I think this article quite accurate. I've tried hard to think of recent Chinese tech inventions that are truly new, and not a ripoff of a popular existing product, and could never come up with any, until just recently. I bought one of these "Air Fly Mouse" http://www.airflymouse.com/ and it works…

Did the guy who brought the Air Fly Mouse to market get fantastically rich and have the entrepreneurial spirit to turn those winnings toward a more ambitious goal, like how Elon Musk did with paypal -> SpaceX? Something is blocking the furnace of innovation over there.

Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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> Yes, there's a lot of money but there's not enough ethical business people.

Well, that's bound to happen when a generation suddenly becomes rich for first time in long family history. You kind of had it coming.

It'd take some metabolism cycles to ingest the wealth they come by. Until then they'll act like pigs on money steroid rather than the rich.

Best to avoid the shitbag of shitstorm until they learn to be civil.

Re: Why there aren't many innovators in China

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That's why I was pitching so many times to my friends. Why not go to Taiwan first? Small island for testing the foreseeable mainland market, initial understanding the culture and language, and enjoy freedom of speech and better human right. Mostly OEM industry HQ are all right here. All you have to worried are air pollution, the crazy traffic, and the heat, humidity tropical weather. There is a site called techorange dot com blog talked about China and Taiwan startup. You can have a look.
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