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Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Re: Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Post by mkl »

factorialboy wrote: post #5

Forgive me, but is steno relevant going forward? Would recording audio and NLP be more effective? Genuine question, no snark.

Speech recognition is terrible on specialised vocabulary, strong accents, low quality audio, etc. You can train it, but only if you have transcriptions of your audio. Steno is a good way to make transcriptions.

I have mathematics education videos I would like subtitles for, all in non-US, non-UK accents, full of specialised terminology. In my tests, Amazon and Google's APIs were completely useless for this, as was Dragon. If I find the time, I would like to learn steno of some sort to make the subtitles and provide training data for future videos.

Re: Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Post by 0kl »

factorialboy wrote: post #5

Forgive me, but is steno relevant going forward? Would recording audio and NLP be more effective? Genuine question, no snark.

For myself: how I think when I’m writing is somewhat different than when I’m speaking. I still prefer writing _and_ typing despite the ability to record myself.

I also think we’re a bit of a ways off before speech-to-text will work for programming…

Maybe what I’m looking for isn’t stenography, but chorded typing with the ability to break out of it when I need to.

Re: Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Post by jore »

_flux wrote: post #9
jore wrote: post #3

can stenography be used to write code? or is it only for text based on speech?

It can. Here's an example of using Plover (now part of the openstenography project it seems): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=711T2simRyI (I know this is not the only presentation in the existence but it's one that I found; there's one by the author of Plover within some longer presentation about it.) Honestly, doesn't seem super fast to me :-).

thanks, it also does not look fast to me and does not seem to improve the process the way it does for speech. Additionally I guess there is a steep learning curve so it is definitely not for everybody

Re: Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Post by eloeffler »

I've been doing some digging on German (type) stenography some years ago. Interestingly, it seems to be rather difficult to get this to work fast, in my understanding due to its grammatic structure.

Hand written stenography is still the fastest writing system of all for the German language and hand written stenography is still the default for federal government sessions and in most state parliaments.

More about German hand written stenography: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Einheitskurzschrift

Re: Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Post by kremlin »

jore wrote: post #14
_flux wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can. Here's an example of using Plover (now part of the openstenography project it seems): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=711T2simRyI (I know this is not the only presentation in the existence but it's one that I found; there's one by the author of Plover within some longer presentation about it.) Honestly, doesn't seem super fast to me :-).

thanks, it also does not look fast to me and does not seem to improve the process the way it does for speech. Additionally I guess there is a steep learning curve so it is definitely not for everybody

considering typing time isn't even close to the most time consuming part of programming, I don't think this will be relevant to programmers apart from the programmers who want to do it for fun

Re: Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Post by bodge5000 »

fnord77 wrote: post #4

> Stenographers stroke chords instead of typing keys, resulting in less movement and better ergonomics than typing. over the years I've seen various chord-style keyboard schemes. I've wondered why none have caught on - seems more logical than hitting individual keys.

I suppose the same reason why qwerty still reigns supreme despite being a purposefully inefficient layout, people know it.

On a similar note I was talking to someone recently about touch screen phone keyboards, and how compressing a qwerty keyboard onto a (relative to the size of actual keyboards) tiny screen with very little haptic feedback seemed like an awful idea that was used early on because it was easy to understand and since then we've just kind of stuck with for no reason. The person I was talking to agreed, and we were thinking of ideas of how it could be improved. Later I was talking to a my two brothers about it, who are more a bit more normal, and neither of them thought it was worth the effort at all (and they're probably right), and thought it was pretty daft thing to care about.

Long story short, if it aint broke, don't fix it I suppose

Re: Open Steno Project – Freeing stenography

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Post by telesilla »

larsiusprime wrote: post #19

I got into this a few years ago and it was really fun! Highly recommended just for the experience itself.

I've been holding off writing long form because of the strain of typing and was looking into dictation but my brain forms better structures better when I write. Have you noticed improved physical performance with steno? I also wonder if it might be easy to pick up, as a pianist.
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