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Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I'm a fast qwerty typist (135wpm) who looked into steno but ultimately decided not to put the effort in to learning. I was surprised to discover that learning steno theory is much like learning a new foreign language due to the use of steno word dictionaries, and it takes most learners a few years of full-time study to get fast. (Of course, like with foreign languages, a small percentage of learners are able to go mu…

I don't touch type as fast as you do (only 80-110wpm) but I too was tempted by the idea of faster typing. I have experimented with several chording keyboards and could never get past 15-20 wpm range. My problem is that I have been typing on QWERTY keyboards for decades and my limiting factor is not my typing speed, but my thinking speed. When coding, I hardly ever can go for more than a couple of minutes before I need to cross-reference something, flip to a different file, check another part of the file, etc. That is what really limits my output, not the actual typing speed.

People who have tried Dvorak keyboards find it difficult when they need to work away from their personal desktop / notebook. I got far more value out of simply learning to touch type well. That is never having to look at the keyboard - eyes on the screen at all times.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I'm a fast qwerty typist (135wpm) who looked into steno but ultimately decided not to put the effort in to learning. I was surprised to discover that learning steno theory is much like learning a new foreign language due to the use of steno word dictionaries, and it takes most learners a few years of full-time study to get fast. (Of course, like with foreign languages, a small percentage of learners are able to go mu…

Any advice on how to get from "fast for a normal" to "fast for a computer person" (like you)? I'm around 90wpm on a good day, but for the life of me can't break ~100. Always used to piss me off... my ex typed ~120 while I typed ~70wpm. Both of us engineers. Completely demolished me anytime we fought over chat. ;)

No advice, sorry! It's a rare example (for me) of having a skill despite never having actively worked at improving it, and my touch typing form is not good even though the speed is high. I had a lot of classical guitar lessons as a teenager and that seems more likely to be related than anything else. Would be curious to hear whether the correlation with being an instrumentalist shows up for other people too.

Well, maybe one piece of advice for a small boost in speed -- I got into mechanical keyboards for a few years, and eventually had to conclude that full height keys slow me down a lot compared to cheap laptop chiclet keyboards, so eventually I swapped back to using those.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I've been very intrigued by asetniop[1], but haven't had a chance to really try it. It's a chording keyboard (or rather, layout), and offers a more intuitive transition from qwerty.

P.s. gboards has a board [2] (and qmk firmware) designed for it.

[1] https://asetniop.com/

[2] https://www.gboards.ca/product/ginni

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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Nice coincidence, the following was just submitted:

Open Steno Project – freeing stenography https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29035644

> Traditionally, getting started with steno cost thousands of dollars. We enable anyone to learn stenography for free

> The Open Steno Project [was] formed to support Plover and related projects

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I sometimes use stenographic handwriting, which is different from the question. One insight I had is that swiping on the iPad is fundamentally faster than stenography, because the information density of these curves is higher: you have more context sensitive starting point and swirls. The only thing that is even faster is speech recognition (google > siri) ... and maybe the stenography OP asked about, which is probably not worth the learning curve given how ubiquitous speech recognition is becoming.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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Before I got into programming I did stenography. I was able to type at 240+ WPM with 98+% accuracy, it took me about a year and a half to attain that speed. When I got into programming I sold my steno machine and haven't done anything related to it since.

I'm sure there are some programmers or writers using stenography successfully, but I don't think it's practical personally. My bottleneck when programming is not typing speed but how quickly I can decide on what to type next. I can type at 130 WPM on a qwerty keyboard, it just is not a bottleneck.

Moreover, it's not easy to learn. Assuming you're a decent typer on a regular keyboard, you are going to be slogging through typing for at least a year, and then who knows. Some people seem to be incapable of achieving the high speeds that you're seeing professionals reach. There were people at my school that were there for 4+ years, seemingly unable to reach the graduation speed/accuracy requirements despite practicing more than I ever did.

The speeds are also misleading. People see 240+ WPM and think that's the end of it, but that speed and accuracy is typically measured differently than it should be. The WPM count does not typically include the proofreading and editing after the fact. Meaning you can have typos, you can leave words out, it's fine as long as you can properly decipher the typos / what was actually said based on context.

There are stenography standards you can learn, but to actually achieve the speed you're looking for people end up making their own language constructs to shorten things (called briefs at my school). Maybe you're a court reporter and you hear a lot of phrases such as "Did there come a time" - you might shorten this entire sentence to one keystroke. Everyone ends up typing in their own bastardized version of the standard unique to them.

I left stenography because I felt like it was destroying my body. It takes a toll on your hands, shoulders, body.

Ultimately the entire process of getting good at stenography is very time consuming, I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. Just my two cents, good luck to you if you do decide to pursue it.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any advice on how to get from "fast for a normal" to "fast for a computer person" (like you)? I'm around 90wpm on a good day, but for the life of me can't break ~100. Always used to piss me off... my ex typed ~120 while I typed ~70wpm. Both of us engineers. Completely demolished me anytime we fought over chat. ;)

No advice, sorry! It's a rare example (for me) of having a skill despite never having actively worked at improving it, and my touch typing form is not good even though the speed is high. I had a lot of classical guitar lessons as a teenager and that seems more likely to be related than anything else. Would be curious to hear whether the correlation with being an instrumentalist shows up for other people too. Well, ma…

Hah, it's okay :) I'm the opposite -- a large number of the things I have some above average skill at, I honestly never worked at improving, it just... happened. So I empathize with "no idea how to share" :)

FWIW I also did 8 years of music as a kid (mostly woodwinds).

I don't look at the keys, and I _think_ my form is okay but I have no idea. I, too, never learned the "right" way, I've just been typing on a keyboard for ~75% of my life so over time it got faster.

One thing I notice when I compare my typing to people who are >90wpm is the sound is different. My typing sounds very "staccato", whereas you lucky fast people... it seems to sound quieter? smoother?

shrug face

Re: Ask HN: Anyone Here Using Stenography

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I'm a fast qwerty typist (135wpm) who looked into steno but ultimately decided not to put the effort in to learning. I was surprised to discover that learning steno theory is much like learning a new foreign language due to the use of steno word dictionaries, and it takes most learners a few years of full-time study to get fast. (Of course, like with foreign languages, a small percentage of learners are able to go mu…

Any advice on how to get from "fast for a normal" to "fast for a computer person" (like you)? I'm around 90wpm on a good day, but for the life of me can't break ~100. Always used to piss me off... my ex typed ~120 while I typed ~70wpm. Both of us engineers. Completely demolished me anytime we fought over chat. ;)

This may not be your problem, but if you look at the keyboard while typing you need to stop. Other than that, you should look into using proper form. Make sure your fingers are resting where they should be when you're at rest. Make sure you're using the recommended fingers for each key on the keyboard. For example I used to press the Y key with my left index finger but it's quicker to press with the right index finger. Your keyboard can also make a big difference here. I don't have a recommendation on what keyboard to get but my typing speed suffers if I'm not using a good keyboard.
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