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13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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The comparison is against a flat row of cells that do not track the sun. I suspect that it will not do better compared to an array of cells that do track the sun. Basically the tree of cells are arranged in different angles so that as the sun moves some of them will always be receiving optimal sunlight when their normal is parallel with that of the incident light. Very nice insight, especially for a kid his age. I ce…

it makes a lot of sense, nature has been doing it for a lot of time :), I hope that other scientists elsewhere can also confirm that the improvements are so dramatic, I mean, having still/motionless cheap arrays that can perform 20%-50% better than the flat ones are great news!

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Inhabitat credits treehugger.com as its source. Treehugger's article is not breathless about biomimicry, not spread over two pages, and not interrupted by adsense and images. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/08/13-year-old-makes-so... Edit: The source of treehugger's article is Aidan's own article, which is better still, and addresses briefly some of the issues raised in comments here (e.g., about fixed vs. track…

Last paragraph sums up the possible advantages-

Aidan wrote: "The tree design takes up less room than flat-panel arrays and works in spots that don't have a full southern view. It collects more sunlight in winter. Shade and bad weather like snow don't hurt it because the panels are not flat. It even looks nicer because it looks like a tree. A design like this may work better in urban areas where space and direct sunlight can be hard to find."

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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Question: Does his tree have nearly double the number of panels? If so, does that have anything to do with him getting more power? http://www.amnh.org/nationalcenter/youngnaturalistawards/201...

Probably not, but I would have to say, THIS is the kind of stuff we should be awarding US patents to...

Possibly, or is this to a solar company like the patent that was brought up on here last week that basically described link/skip lists is to a computer scientist.

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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post #8
post #4

Question: Does his tree have nearly double the number of panels? If so, does that have anything to do with him getting more power? http://www.amnh.org/nationalcenter/youngnaturalistawards/201...

Probably not, but I would have to say, THIS is the kind of stuff we should be awarding US patents to...

Really? Instead of 1-click buttons? Are you serious?

disclaimer: sarcasm

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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Inhabitat credits treehugger.com as its source. Treehugger's article is not breathless about biomimicry, not spread over two pages, and not interrupted by adsense and images. http://www.treehugger.com/files/2011/08/13-year-old-makes-so... Edit: The source of treehugger's article is Aidan's own article, which is better still, and addresses briefly some of the issues raised in comments here (e.g., about fixed vs. track…

Last paragraph sums up the possible advantages- Aidan wrote: "The tree design takes up less room than flat-panel arrays and works in spots that don't have a full southern view. It collects more sunlight in winter. Shade and bad weather like snow don't hurt it because the panels are not flat. It even looks nicer because it looks like a tree. A design like this may work better in urban areas where space and direct sunl…

>>The tree design takes up less room than flat-panel arrays

Very true. That is a huge advantage if space is a concern.

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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He "discovered" the Fibonacci sequence in how trees branch? Seriously?

Maybe I'm just being a grumpy old guy here, but when I was in school this was in our math textbooks as an example of how the Fibonacci sequence appears in nature.

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A couple of points: 1. Like others said this is in comparison to a flat non tracking solar panel, the tree configuration would lose out significantly against a tracking panel. 2. Fairly disingenuous graph on the second page, but then again professionals in business and science do this all the time as well. 3. With the current state of solar technology this patent is useless. But if someone invents solar cells who are…

It's provisional.

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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post #10

The comparison is against a flat row of cells that do not track the sun. I suspect that it will not do better compared to an array of cells that do track the sun. Basically the tree of cells are arranged in different angles so that as the sun moves some of them will always be receiving optimal sunlight when their normal is parallel with that of the incident light. Very nice insight, especially for a kid his age. I ce…

Now I don't disagree that an array of cells that track the sun would produce better results, but it would be fair to assume that this would cost energy. Keeping that in mind, do you think it would still provide better results?

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Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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post #10

The comparison is against a flat row of cells that do not track the sun. I suspect that it will not do better compared to an array of cells that do track the sun. Basically the tree of cells are arranged in different angles so that as the sun moves some of them will always be receiving optimal sunlight when their normal is parallel with that of the incident light. Very nice insight, especially for a kid his age. I ce…

Now I don't disagree that an array of cells that track the sun would produce better results, but it would be fair to assume that this would cost energy. Keeping that in mind, do you think it would still provide better results?

I'm not an expert here, but it's pointless to make tracking sun panels that costs a lot more if the outcome wasn't that great, I bet tracking sunlight is still more efficient even after spending energy to move the panels, it makes no sense otherwise. The real benefit of this is that you get a cheap motionless panel that performs a lot better than the flat version, this is specially important in places like Africa where you need to be as efficient and cost effective as possible.

Re: 13-Year-Old Makes Solar Power Breakthrough by Harnessing the Fibonacci Sequence

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post #10

The comparison is against a flat row of cells that do not track the sun. I suspect that it will not do better compared to an array of cells that do track the sun. Basically the tree of cells are arranged in different angles so that as the sun moves some of them will always be receiving optimal sunlight when their normal is parallel with that of the incident light. Very nice insight, especially for a kid his age. I ce…

Now I don't disagree that an array of cells that track the sun would produce better results, but it would be fair to assume that this would cost energy. Keeping that in mind, do you think it would still provide better results?

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaic_system#Tracking_th...):

"tracking systems can increase viable output by up to 100%...For large systems, the energy gained by using tracking systems outweighs the added complexity (trackers can increase efficiency by 30% or more)"

The new tree design can make 20%-50% more electricity. Wouldn't know till they do some legitimate tests but it seems like the sun trackers fare better.

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