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Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

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Hmm, you have to pay to become a member, and additionally pay for each song you listen (if you exceed the "new user" credits). Can you sign up as a listener and an artist? I tried but it says "This username is already registered" and "This email address is already registered".

Paying to become a co-op member is optional. Not required for listening.

The latter seems like an issue though. It would be great to be able to convert a listener account into an artist account, or to have both under one account entity.

Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

#12

you lost me at pay per play... also your pricing page doesnt actually give a sense of cost at all? 9 plays per what? 5 euro? 10 dollars? .0000005 eth?

> also your pricing page doesnt actually give a sense of cost at all? 9 plays per what? 5 euro? 10 dollars? .0000005 eth?

This is a huge oversight.

Resonate is a good idea in theory but the majority of people who really care about independent artists getting paid properly for digital music (which seems to be the main purpose behind Resonate) are supporting artists by buying from Bandcamp, rather than solely streaming.

Its kind of telling that Resonate has been around for 7 years yet the database is 13,000 songs. In my experience artists and labels will upload their music anywhere that will get them plays/pays. Not saying that Bandcamp is perfect but it really resonates (sorry) with artists and labels.

Hopefully Resonate can get it right because we need more people to become comfortable with paying for music again.

Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

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you lost me at pay per play... also your pricing page doesnt actually give a sense of cost at all? 9 plays per what? 5 euro? 10 dollars? .0000005 eth?

Has anyone ever figured this out? It doesn't make it clear at all on the site. As someone who listens to spotify almost all day during working hours, I wonder how much this would cost me compared to the $5/month or whatever I pay now. I'm fine paying more if it goes to the artist, but for goodness sake you need to make it clear what this thing costs.

Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So artists get paid?

I have nothing against charity, but isn't that just charity under a different description?

Paying a fair price to sustain something you want to see continue to exist isn't charity.

Paying the lowest price you possibly can nearly always means someone along the way was exploited and not given a fair share of the value they created.

Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

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The intent is great, but this isn't going to happen. I'm a big Spotify hater, frankly -- but one thing they understand is that the marginal cost of streaming OR downloading a song is effectively zero. It's weird to pretend that it isn't -- and it's REALLY weird to promise that you're going to automatically lose more money the more you listen to a song.

I think there's legs in the idea of "hey, you've listened to this a bunch, would you like to pay more (and perhaps get something else)?" But this ain't it.

Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

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post #14
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So artists get paid?

I have nothing against charity, but isn't that just charity under a different description?

Giving someone what they deserve/earn is serving Justice, not Charity

Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have nothing against charity, but isn't that just charity under a different description?

Paying a fair price to sustain something you want to see continue to exist isn't charity. Paying the lowest price you possibly can nearly always means someone along the way was exploited and not given a fair share of the value they created.

> Paying the lowest price you possibly can nearly always means someone along the way was exploited

No, I agree with that. But that's still engaging in charity, right? Voluntarily paying more for something that I could pay less for, so that artists will have a living wage, workers won't be exploited, etc etc.

Your "sustain something you want to see continue to exist" suggests something else, though. What it suggests is that I have a good practical reason, on the basis of wanting to see good music continue to be created, to personally pay more for music. I think this is incorrect.

If I was of the opinion that only a few artists made really great music, it might make sense to exclusively fund them so that they would continue doing so. But that's not the case: music is an extremely cheap commodity these days, because high quality production is so easy (can even be done with free or cheap software on an old laptop). There's enough good music put out there for free by people just doing it as a hobby to last a lifetime. You can't compete with that; a "fair share" of nothing is still nothing. Similar problem for Uber drivers: when there are too many drivers, the cost per ride gets driven through the floor. That's true regardless of whether Uber are exploiting their drivers (they probably are).

I was evasive in my original reply, so let me put my cards on the table. I do think that voluntarily paying more for something than it is worth (its fair market price) is charity. And I don't think it is practicable to fix the problems with artist remuneration by encouraging everyone to be charitable. And I think it's a bit ludicrous to try to commandeer the word "fair" to mean something other than the market price, if you're not going to reconsider the more fundamental assumptions behind having a market in the first place.

I would argue that if you want music to flourish, in something like its present democratized form, you need to do just that. Music should be understood as a human good - both creating and listening to it. All music is good, even bad music. All musicians should be supported, even those whose music wouldn't be popular enough to earn a living wage at the market price. Recall that even the Beatles were supposedly on the dole at one point.

On the other hand, we could decide that music is simply not all that valuable to us, that creating more music than anyone can reasonably consume does not promote any particular human good, and let the current proliferation of music die. That's also a valid outcome. What isn't valid, to my way of thinking, is valuing music and then thinking that charity ought to be our way of responding to that value.

Re: Resonate: A music streaming service structured as a cooperative

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post #17

The intent is great, but this isn't going to happen. I'm a big Spotify hater, frankly -- but one thing they understand is that the marginal cost of streaming OR downloading a song is effectively zero. It's weird to pretend that it isn't -- and it's REALLY weird to promise that you're going to automatically lose more money the more you listen to a song. I think there's legs in the idea of "hey, you've listened to this…

"marginal cost of streaming OR downloading a song is effectively zero" - only if you don't consider royalties to be part of the marginal cost? What's weird to me is the seemingly pervasive idea that the cost of everything should be 100% directly related to its marginal cost + some small fixed percent. Things are priced based on what consumers will pay, which is related to how much value they derive from it.

Personally I'd be happy to pay $2 a month when I don't listen to much music and up to $30-40/month when I'm obsessed with album(s) and listening to them every day - how much that costs Spotify is somewhat irrelevant to me

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