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Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#11

Post by N0tAThr0wAway »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #8
N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it. They have. They've decided that importing the entire third world into the West is the only solution. The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. There is no turning back, there is no undoing what has been done. Europeans and White people are the only shrinking demographic in their home countries.

> The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know.

>Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know.

You're literally proving my point. Looking at what happened to Native Americans is one of the best examples why illegal immigration and importing backwards/conflicting cultures is detrimental. I wonder if there were bleeding heart leftists among the Native American population that were pro importing more and more Europeans. "They will only bring us strength! Look at all the great things they're bringing!"

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#12

Post by lotsofpulp »

N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #11
lotsofpulp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know.

>Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know. You're literally proving my point. Looking at what happened to Native Americans is one of the best examples why illegal immigration and importing backwards/conflicting cultures is detrimental. I wonder if there were bleeding heart leftists among the Native American populat…

I was under the impression you were claiming the “West” had not changed in 2,000 years.

It does not really matter though. Change is the only constant. My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#13

Post by N0tAThr0wAway »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #12
N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know. You're literally proving my point. Looking at what happened to Native Americans is one of the best examples why illegal immigration and importing backwards/conflicting cultures is detrimental. I wonder if there were bleeding heart leftists among the Native American populat…

I was under the impression you were claiming the “West” had not changed in 2,000 years. It does not really matter though. Change is the only constant. My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma.

"The West" roughly means Europe/Western culture/world [0]. Everywhere has always had some level of change always, but there has never been a demographic and cultural decline alongside a wholesale importation of backwards cultures like the one we're seeing in Europe.

>My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge.

That's exactly what's causing this decline. For the capitalist class, importing cheap labor that will not align with the prevailing culture is EXACTLY what they want.

> Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma.

Not sure why we don't grow our own people organically versus replacing them with immigrants from backwards countries and cultures.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#14

Post by nsonha »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #9
martindbp wrote: post #4

I doubt it. Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. When you have to work long hours, have no financial support for childcare, having aging parents to take care of, then there's just no room for having kids. I live in arguably one of the best countries for raising kids, with 18 months parental leave, free preschool, higher education, retire…

> Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. Who is “you”? Is it a woman that has no financial independence in a society where she may have to fend for herself if she does not have unprotected sex without access to birth control? Because, until very recently, that probably describes most women’s circumstances when planning to have kids. I am b…

way to insert an unrelated woke issue into the conversation

> until very recently

how about now? Fact of the matter is even in the developed countries where work isn't stressful and people do have sex, birth rate is still low. So simply encouraging people to have sex isn't the solution if you want more kids. I believe that's the point they are making.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#15

Post by evgen »

N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #7
chuckee wrote: post #6

> the CCP is organizing scholarly conferences and asking researchers to look for the root causes of the demographic problem. What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it.

>What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it. They have. They've decided that importing the entire third world into the West is the only solution. The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. There is no turning back, there is no undoing what has been done. Europeans and White people are the only shrinking demographic in their home countries.

If 'the West' is primarily made up of people who think like you then good riddance. OTOH, the rest of us are adaptable and curious. We like new cultural synthesis; new immigrants are a source of fun new restaurants, new media/arts, and new ideas to explore.

People have been sounding the call of '[People who look different] are coming! Our culture is doomed!' for mellennia, and thankfully we learn not to cares what they think. We will keep progressing and leave them to stew in their ignorance and spite. For more than 2000 years people complained about the barbarians invading, but once we learn to ignore the shrill cries of alarm we look around and the barbarians are nowhere to be seen, just a bunch of new citizens with interesting new ideas.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#16

Post by redis_mlc »

imtringued wrote: post #5
whitehind wrote: post #2

China’s demographic crisis, according to a researcher, has a very simple explanation: Chinese work too much, and are just too tired to make love.

Are you forgetting the one child policy?

There never was a uniform one child policy.

All of the photos I've seen of Chinese celebrity families have 3 kids.

Also, China's demographic problem is likely magnified because of the internal passport (hukou) system. Up to 1/3 of urban workers are there illegally, which would make having children very difficult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hukou

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#17

Post by AIorNot »

N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #7
chuckee wrote: post #6

> the CCP is organizing scholarly conferences and asking researchers to look for the root causes of the demographic problem. What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it.

>What a proactive approach. I wish Western governments emulated it. They have. They've decided that importing the entire third world into the West is the only solution. The West as we've known it for 2000 years won't make it past 2100 due to this demographic shift. There is no turning back, there is no undoing what has been done. Europeans and White people are the only shrinking demographic in their home countries.

Trump supporter? People have been migrating and integrating since the dawn of humanity… civilization still survives fine and in fact thrives and evolves as new cultures develop. It’s your tribal fear mongering that is the primary cause of concern to me.

Countries, ethnicities and national boundaries shift with the times, ease of migration and economic trends. The world has 7.9 billion people in it, so the fate of the “whites” as a race is of little concern to humanity…

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#18

Post by KptMarchewa »

N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #13
lotsofpulp wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression you were claiming the “West” had not changed in 2,000 years. It does not really matter though. Change is the only constant. My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma.

"The West" roughly means Europe/Western culture/world [0]. Everywhere has always had some level of change always, but there has never been a demographic and cultural decline alongside a wholesale importation of backwards cultures like the one we're seeing in Europe. >My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. T…

>Not sure why we don't grow our own people organically versus replacing them with immigrants from backwards countries and cultures.

Because there's a risk they turn out like you, instead of being a desirable citizen.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#19

Post by brnt »

nsonha wrote: post #14
lotsofpulp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having children is not first and foremost a consequence of having sex, it's an active choice that you make plans for. Who is “you”? Is it a woman that has no financial independence in a society where she may have to fend for herself if she does not have unprotected sex without access to birth control? Because, until very recently, that probably describes most women’s circumstances when planning to have kids. I am b…

way to insert an unrelated woke issue into the conversation > until very recently how about now? Fact of the matter is even in the developed countries where work isn't stressful and people do have sex, birth rate is still low. So simply encouraging people to have sex isn't the solution if you want more kids. I believe that's the point they are making.

That had nothing to do with wokeness, it's an obvious bias in the observation. Outside of careerists circles, which is a tiny group, things are quite different. The idea that life is plannable is again an indicator of a particular background and culture, that is representative of only a fraction of humans.

Re: No Sex Please We’re Chinese

#20

Post by nsonha »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #12
N0tAThr0wAway wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Wonder what the Native Americans think about the “West” they knew for 2,000 years. Or anyone who has read the history of the Americas would know. You're literally proving my point. Looking at what happened to Native Americans is one of the best examples why illegal immigration and importing backwards/conflicting cultures is detrimental. I wonder if there were bleeding heart leftists among the Native American populat…

I was under the impression you were claiming the “West” had not changed in 2,000 years. It does not really matter though. Change is the only constant. My preferred strategy would be to implement policies that keep bringing in desirable future citizens that continue to give out tribe an economic edge. Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards with their diploma.

> Not sure why we do not hand STEM graduates (at least Masters and PhDs) green cards

you don't want to create incentives for people to get into academia for reasons other than interest in academia. From what I've heard (not a scientist), science is in crisis with the rise of bogus researchs & paper mills.

I think transerable work visa should be good enough for security. Once they have establishes a career in a few years, they should be able to get green card via some sort of point system or employer sponsorship.

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