Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?
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Covid-19 Vaccines and the Menstrual Cycle
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#12Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?
> Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated?
It's unfeasible to carry out research on every little aspect of any medication, except for the very long term. That's why drugs get approved all the time, yet trials and studies continue for decades to account for long term and extremely rare side effects.
That said, literally anything can change the menstrual cycle (flu, stress, changes in nutrition or exercise levels), and especially given that menstrual symptoms correlate more with inflammatory markers than with actual hormone levels [0], it's to be expected that treatments that elicit an inflammatory response might have an effect in menstrual symptoms. It's good this research is done, but I doubt these changes come up as a surprise to any physician.
> Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?
I think so, unless you consider to keep enforcing lockdowns, travel restrictions, or a Children-of-the-corn-light type of scenario to be ethically better.
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#13Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?
> Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? It's unfeasible to carry out research on every little aspect of any medication, except for the very long term. That's why drugs get approved all the time, yet trials and studies continue for decades to account for long term and extremely rare side effects. That said, literally anything can change the menstrual cycle (fl…
In your opinion, what should the punishment be for not complying?
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#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? It's unfeasible to carry out research on every little aspect of any medication, except for the very long term. That's why drugs get approved all the time, yet trials and studies continue for decades to account for long term and extremely rare side effects. That said, literally anything can change the menstrual cycle (fl…
In your opinion, what should the punishment be for not complying?
There shouldn't be a punishment.
In the European countries I'm familiar with, those people are now on unemployment benefits and their contract temporarily suspended. As a tax payer, I'm fine with that. I don't want unvaccinated health workers to get in close contact with my elderly mother, thank you.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
In your opinion, what should the punishment be for not complying?
There shouldn't be a punishment. In the European countries I'm familiar with, those people are now on unemployment benefits and their contract temporarily suspended. As a tax payer, I'm fine with that. I don't want unvaccinated health workers to get in close contact with my elderly mother, thank you.
Why though? Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, and so the only benefit to being fully vaccinated is a private one (you are less susceptible to severe illness, though not totally immune)?
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#16Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? Is it ethical to enforce vaccinations (via mandate) with these matters unresolved?
> Shouldn't this kind of research have been carried out before billions of people were vaccinated? It's unfeasible to carry out research on every little aspect of any medication, except for the very long term. That's why drugs get approved all the time, yet trials and studies continue for decades to account for long term and extremely rare side effects. That said, literally anything can change the menstrual cycle (fl…
Lockdowns have nothing to do with corona. They're entirely a political decision completely unrelated.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
There shouldn't be a punishment. In the European countries I'm familiar with, those people are now on unemployment benefits and their contract temporarily suspended. As a tax payer, I'm fine with that. I don't want unvaccinated health workers to get in close contact with my elderly mother, thank you.
Why though? Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, and so the only benefit to being fully vaccinated is a private one (you are less susceptible to severe illness, though not totally immune)?
Exactly. Plus if you are vaccinated you may not have (early) symptoms which means you can spread it before you realise that you are infected.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
There shouldn't be a punishment. In the European countries I'm familiar with, those people are now on unemployment benefits and their contract temporarily suspended. As a tax payer, I'm fine with that. I don't want unvaccinated health workers to get in close contact with my elderly mother, thank you.
Why though? Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, and so the only benefit to being fully vaccinated is a private one (you are less susceptible to severe illness, though not totally immune)?
No. The protection against severe illness is much better than the protection against transmission, but the latter is also not zero.
You may have seen something posted on HN recently, as I recall it was a Dutch study that compared transmission within families where the initial infectee was or was not vaccinated? And the result was basically a halving.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
There shouldn't be a punishment. In the European countries I'm familiar with, those people are now on unemployment benefits and their contract temporarily suspended. As a tax payer, I'm fine with that. I don't want unvaccinated health workers to get in close contact with my elderly mother, thank you.
Why though? Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, and so the only benefit to being fully vaccinated is a private one (you are less susceptible to severe illness, though not totally immune)?
> Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated
The viral loads in respiratory mucous at the peak are similar, sure, so from that one-dimensional metric that antivaxxers seem fixated in, it doesn't matter.
But vaccinated people:
1. Have fewer chances of getting infected.
2. The incubation period is shorter so, if infected they go around spreading it for a shorter amount of time.
3. Their disease lasts for much shorter so, again, less time spreading it around.
4. The symptoms are milder, so the chances of contaminating via coughing/sneezing are lower.
And let's not forget infecting other health workers reduces the quality of healthcare access overall.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why though? Aren't the viral loads similar between the unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, and so the only benefit to being fully vaccinated is a private one (you are less susceptible to severe illness, though not totally immune)?
Exactly. Plus if you are vaccinated you may not have (early) symptoms which means you can spread it before you realise that you are infected.
The opposite. Vaccination for any disease generally leads to shorter incubation periods in breakthrough cases, because your immune system reacts much more rapidly to the pathogen, and most early symptoms are your immune system doing its job.