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Aspirin About-Face

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Re: Aspirin About-Face

#11

This is surprising for 2 reasons 1) that there was this significant bleeding from baby aspirin 2) that a miracle drug from 300bc is being found to have downsides. I'm still an aspirin proponent for treating sunburns and minor ailments. And salycilic acid for my face routine. Fish oil's recent science on hormone regulation and inflammation reduction should make it a first stop. Then there is AKG.

What’s your face routine?

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#12
post #6

"That means if 1,000 elderly women take aspirin daily for a decade, 11 of them will avoid a heart attack; meanwhile, twice that many will suffer a major gastrointestinal bleeding event that would not have occurred if they hadn’t been taking aspirin." "The U.S. task force wants to strongly discourage anyone 60 and older from starting a low-dose aspirin regimen, citing concerns about the age-related heightened risk for…

Generally, people aren't aware of the symptoms of gastrointestinal bleeding. I'd assume without a pretty good education outreach, it'd be unlikely to be caught except in the really bad cases.

And while you're right, that GI bleeding on it's own might not be a huge issue, I suspect a gastroenterologist would want to do a colonoscopy if it does happen, something that patients probably wont to avoid if they can.

Re: Aspirin About-Face

#13

This is surprising for 2 reasons 1) that there was this significant bleeding from baby aspirin 2) that a miracle drug from 300bc is being found to have downsides. I'm still an aspirin proponent for treating sunburns and minor ailments. And salycilic acid for my face routine. Fish oil's recent science on hormone regulation and inflammation reduction should make it a first stop. Then there is AKG.

What’s your face routine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salicylic_acid

is a precursor to and a metabolite of aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid). It is a plant hormone. The name is from Latin salix for willow tree

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post #6

"That means if 1,000 elderly women take aspirin daily for a decade, 11 of them will avoid a heart attack; meanwhile, twice that many will suffer a major gastrointestinal bleeding event that would not have occurred if they hadn’t been taking aspirin." "The U.S. task force wants to strongly discourage anyone 60 and older from starting a low-dose aspirin regimen, citing concerns about the age-related heightened risk for…

I understand that the bleeding is a serious concern, but does that have an immediate, potentially fatal or life changing impact - or does it happen with enough warning that you could stop taking aspirin and/or get medical assistance?

Anecdote time!

My dad was on a bit too many blood thinners—a prescription, and aspirin.

He’d been feeling weak and a little down for a week. On a Friday night…bam, passed out, in the bathroom, and hit his head.

Went to the ER. When…I’ll elide details…using the restroom, he had a huge GI bleed. They had to put 2 units of blood into him in the ICU.

So, yeah, bleeds can be bad. As bad as a heart attack? No, but they really can sneak up on you.

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#15
Brilliant short article about decision making in general, and in medical uses as an example. The aspirin example is great for everyone to read, because it is so ubiquitous.

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#16
This is just a bunch of anti-vax talking points repackaged to avoid misinformation filters. I'm pretty sure the author is a big ivermectin shill too. Research your sources people!

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#17
post #10

This piece entirely misses the point of the recommendation. The new recommendation is that aspirin should not be used to prevent heart attack in those without a history of heart disease (ie avoid routine aspirin for "primary prevention"). Aspirin for primary prevention has always been a grey area. The reversal came after a large trial in the New England Journal of Medicine looking at this. The trial showed the decrea…

Here is the actual draft of the recommendation as well as supporting evidence: https://www.uspreventiveservicestaskforce.org/uspstf/recomme...

Edit: Here's the document that actually outlines "what changed" from 2016 to the current draft: file:///Users/nkrumm/Downloads/aspirin-use-cvd-prevention-draft-modeling-report.pdf

Re: Aspirin About-Face

#18
Is this an American thing? I've never heard of people (without any preconditions, or feaver, pain or illness) taking Aspirin on daily basis. But apparently 30 million US citizens do. How did that happen? (Was this only caused by the pre-reversal recommendation?)

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post #10

This piece entirely misses the point of the recommendation. The new recommendation is that aspirin should not be used to prevent heart attack in those without a history of heart disease (ie avoid routine aspirin for "primary prevention"). Aspirin for primary prevention has always been a grey area. The reversal came after a large trial in the New England Journal of Medicine looking at this. The trial showed the decrea…

I don't see how what the article says and what you say are in conflict.

The recommendation used to be "just take aspirin, you won't have a heart attack" and now it's "wait, this could be bad, let's qualify that".

He uses this as a lead-in to discuss the concepts of NNT and NNH. It makes sense.

Re: Aspirin About-Face

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post #10

This piece entirely misses the point of the recommendation. The new recommendation is that aspirin should not be used to prevent heart attack in those without a history of heart disease (ie avoid routine aspirin for "primary prevention"). Aspirin for primary prevention has always been a grey area. The reversal came after a large trial in the New England Journal of Medicine looking at this. The trial showed the decrea…

I saw a cardiologist for a routine checkup (no medical events had occurred). She said my EKG looked great and I would probably live to 102 (that's a while from now, in case you're wondering), but still recommended that I take a low-dose aspirin.

So I am planning to stop now. It seems like I'm a poster child for "stop taking daily aspirin."

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