Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

11–20 of 144 posts

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

#11

Post by jmfldn »

When I read articles like this I experience a mini existential crisis that we could be heading to some very dark places technologically.

I don't need to go into the reasons why it's bad. For anyone who's aware of the last 15 years of social media critique or novels like Brave New World, it's obvious that this would be a dystopia multiplier. Ad tech on steroids. If you think the manipulation is bad now just wait until this data is fed into the ML models.

If you must have everything you see, do and say recorded then please, for the love of god, let's use non-profit, open source / free software platforms where we own our own data.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

#13

Post by blackoil »

lucasverra wrote: post #3
h2odragon wrote: post #2

Apparently whoever paid for the most recent "Facebook is Bad" media hate package, only bought the 3 day ticket. Cheap bastards.

Who would benefit from that service? Maybe PR services companies? "See what is happening to Fb, we can help you avoid that Mr other dodgy Tech" Who else?

Traditional Media. Politicians. Competing Social Networks.

Also other tech. companies as FB is sucking up all media/political/people's energy and the rest can cruise current wave unharmed.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

#14

Post by sneak »

jmfldn wrote: post #11

When I read articles like this I experience a mini existential crisis that we could be heading to some very dark places technologically. I don't need to go into the reasons why it's bad. For anyone who's aware of the last 15 years of social media critique or novels like Brave New World, it's obvious that this would be a dystopia multiplier. Ad tech on steroids. If you think the manipulation is bad now just wait until…

In one generation in the US we went as a whole society from most private p2p conversations not being logged and monitored and recorded by the government, to most private p2p conversations not only being logged and monitored and recorded, but available to the state at any time without probable cause or a warrant (FISA Amendments Act).

iMessage, WhatsApp, Gmail, Facebook Messenger, Instagram: all of these are stored on the server effectively unencrypted (in the case of iMessage and WhatsApp, via the chat backups, a backdoor to the e2e encryption they promise). The state has access to all of them at any time. To top it off the carriers and a million different apps are constantly logging your location history for all time, for every member of society.

If you think that isn't one of the most useful and powerful databases in the history of mankind, I question your imagination.

The massive damage, which may just be existential, is not apparent to the USA just yet, but it will be eventually.

The balance of power has shifted even more dramatically than just about ever before in history, in any country in history. Alarm bells should be going off left and right but nobody seems to care and it's just business as usual.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

#16

Post by blackoil »

mgreb wrote: post #12

Wait, are such devices even legal? Looks like walking spy-cam to me. I want to know if someone records video/takes picture of me. With this glasses you can`t tell if you are being filmed.

Is it illegal to shoot videos in public place without permission of all present ? Private places may have their own rules. Also this is R&D, long way before such questions matter.

Re: Facebook is researching AI systems that see, hear, remember everything you do

#18

Post by jmfldn »

sneak wrote: post #14
jmfldn wrote: post #11

When I read articles like this I experience a mini existential crisis that we could be heading to some very dark places technologically. I don't need to go into the reasons why it's bad. For anyone who's aware of the last 15 years of social media critique or novels like Brave New World, it's obvious that this would be a dystopia multiplier. Ad tech on steroids. If you think the manipulation is bad now just wait until…

In one generation in the US we went as a whole society from most private p2p conversations not being logged and monitored and recorded by the government, to most private p2p conversations not only being logged and monitored and recorded, but available to the state at any time without probable cause or a warrant (FISA Amendments Act). iMessage, WhatsApp, Gmail, Facebook Messenger, Instagram: all of these are stored on…

Agree. We desperately need something like Tim Berners Lee's Solid. A way for us to take control from the centralised data silos owned by big tech. I know its almost mission impossible to turn the tide, but if the alternative is giving in then engineers worried about this must fight for alternatives, however grim the odds.

As for this specific issue, of course there are the usual massive issues around data privacy. The major issue I was alluding to here is ad tech AI processes being fed an unimaginably rich source of intimate data. It's a horrifying prospect.

Post reply on HN