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Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by matthewmcg »

ALittleLight wrote: post #9
mkr-hn wrote: post #2

They (maybe) leaked data that showed these shows don't even make much money, so it's not about money. Between this and the long string of stand-up shows with transphobic and homophobic bits, I get the strong impression someone with influence within Netflix wants to keep funding these kinds of acts. Is it true? Maybe not. But the way the company is behaving sure does give that impression. They must have some PR person…

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

I understand the sentiment, but I think additional sensitivity may be merited where the group being offended is disadvantaged or subject to persecution.

To put it another way, it's been said that comedians should punch "up" (i.e. make fun of those in power) and not punch "down."

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by InitialLastName »

ALittleLight wrote: post #9
mkr-hn wrote: post #2

They (maybe) leaked data that showed these shows don't even make much money, so it's not about money. Between this and the long string of stand-up shows with transphobic and homophobic bits, I get the strong impression someone with influence within Netflix wants to keep funding these kinds of acts. Is it true? Maybe not. But the way the company is behaving sure does give that impression. They must have some PR person…

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mgraczyk »

mkr-hn wrote: post #6
literallyaduck wrote: post #5

If you run a fast food joint and someone leaves during a shift without clearing it first, they are likely to be fired. If they distract the cashier, fry cook and grill and they end up leaving it is likely all of them will be put on "no rehire". It is your right to freely protest, but your company isn't obligated to keep you. Customers have more power than employees. If you don't like what Netflix is doing, stop payin…

This is more like someone being fired because they leaked that one of their coworkers was farting on every burger for laughs.

I think a more apt analogy would be a fast food employee believing that the burger patties were harmful, and in response deciding to leak the purchase order for burger patties and buns.

The employee may unaware that a rival burger chain could use that information to renegotiate with the supplier. This would potentially hurt the relationship between the employer and the supplier.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by bentlegen »

InitialLastName wrote: post #12
ALittleLight wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.

I don’t disagree with this, but is mocking Trump supporters punching up or punching down? Honest question.

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Post by elgernon »

InitialLastName wrote: post #12
ALittleLight wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.

These “marginalized” groups seem to be running the country though, and cancel anyone who disagrees with their agenda

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by jayd16 »

ALittleLight wrote: post #9
mkr-hn wrote: post #2

They (maybe) leaked data that showed these shows don't even make much money, so it's not about money. Between this and the long string of stand-up shows with transphobic and homophobic bits, I get the strong impression someone with influence within Netflix wants to keep funding these kinds of acts. Is it true? Maybe not. But the way the company is behaving sure does give that impression. They must have some PR person…

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

I agree with the sentiment but you're conflating what someone believes with who they are, ie, something someone can change vs something they can't.

I don't really think anything should be off limits and off color jokes are an important art form to feel out emotions but I also think there's a clear difference in your examples.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by mkr-hn »

matthewmcg wrote: post #11
ALittleLight wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

I understand the sentiment, but I think additional sensitivity may be merited where the group being offended is disadvantaged or subject to persecution. To put it another way, it's been said that comedians should punch "up" (i.e. make fun of those in power) and not punch "down."

A good angle I read (but can't cite, unfortunately) is that some comedians punch up until the only people left to punch are the ones paying their salary, so they punch down at whoever it's still socially acceptable to make fun of. And then they keep doing it until it's no longer acceptable and start making their critics the whole focus of their routine. We used to call comedians who attacked critics hacks. Now they get Netflix specials.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by e40 »

mkr-hn wrote: post #4
brnt wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you see the show? Transphobic is just about the last word I'd use to describe it, or Chapelle's message.

I have sufficient resolution on it from people who did watch it and had a wide range of takes on it from "it's not transphobic, don't be a dumbass" to "it wasn't exactly transphobic, but it wasn't good and I understand why people consider the bad jokes transphobic" without subjecting myself to it. Netflix's reaction is really the main subject of my comment. The way to interpret the show is just not relevant anymore.…

More importantly than any of your associates, I have two important data points:

I watched it and it was definitely not transphobic.

Dave's trans female friend that committed suicide, her family supports Dave and says they believe it's not transphobic.

Every single criticism I've seen has been general. None of them, except the ones which take stuff out of context, have specific gripes. That's how you know this is about shutting down debate they don't want to hear.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by why_is_it_good »

InitialLastName wrote: post #12
ALittleLight wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

As a general rule, punching up is more acceptable (and funnier!) than punching down. Making fun of the groups that are traditionally dominant in our society (certain religions, political leaders etc) is more compelling comedy than mocking those that have been traditionally victimized and oppressed.

> As a general rule

The whole movement of correcting social wrongs is made by barking at a social hegemons. And now we come full circle as people seem to believe there are general rules again, except they are the opposite of the rules that started to be barked at.

With a caveat: it's not possible to agree that we have come full circle. The previous hegemon canonized the ones in the "down" direction. And so we get to you, babbling about everyone agrees that it's better not to attack the "down" people.

Sure.

Re: Netflix fires organizer of trans employee walkout

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Post by travisporter »

ALittleLight wrote: post #9
mkr-hn wrote: post #2

They (maybe) leaked data that showed these shows don't even make much money, so it's not about money. Between this and the long string of stand-up shows with transphobic and homophobic bits, I get the strong impression someone with influence within Netflix wants to keep funding these kinds of acts. Is it true? Maybe not. But the way the company is behaving sure does give that impression. They must have some PR person…

I don't understand why some people think it's okay to offend some groups and not others. Religious people may be deeply and sincerely offended by bad language, jokes about promiscuity, or jokes about religion. Should comedians be banned from discussing those topics because they might offend the religious? Trump supporters might be offended by jokes about Trump, Biden supporters, Biden. Are those beyond the pale? It s…

The assumption you're making is all groups are formed on an equal premise. [People who see psychics] and [korean women] are both groups
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