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Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Re: Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Post by alexashka »

ferdowsi wrote: post #7

I've noticed tech employees conducting organizing activities using workplace resources, such as Slack. Even if I agree with the spirit of organizing activity, many people doing it seem totally out of their depth. Of course you are going to get nailed, unless the company is tolerating your organizing as PR or as a venting mechanism.

> many people doing it seem totally out of their depth

Sure, they are just testing out the activism they were being taught in universities out in the real world and quickly learning that what they were taught in school only works when you pay them (at university), not when they pay you (at work). Oopsies.

Re: Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Post by Dracophoenix »

teakettle42 wrote: post #6
kamilman0 wrote: post #4

I can kinda understand the Google Drive: they requested her files for an internal investigation (at least if I understood the article correctly), she deleted those files (by deleting the app through which they could have accessed the data) which is indeed a non-compliance, a bit like destroying evidence. What baffles me is the Pokémon GO and Robinhood. What, they wanted to see her movement data as well as her share i…

Note that The Verge’s reporting is almost certainly sourced from the fired individual. Verge is not a reputable outlet. Apple probably didn’t care about Pokémon Go or Robinhood, and their inclusion in the reported list was probably an attempt to elicit exactly the type of misguided sympathetic reactions we’re now seeing here.

Pokémon GO functions as a self-recording GPS and Robinhood's financial records could produce circumstantial evidence of embezzlement, corporate espionage, and/or insider trading. A geocaching game and an entry-level trading app may seem insignificant ,but the data (and metadata!) collected by just one of them is digital gold to Apple's forensics team.

Re: Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Post by coin »

fireball_blaze wrote: post #2

"Janneke Parrish was terminated for deleting files off her work phone, including the apps Robinhood, Pokémon GO, and Google Drive" Umm, what? Truly bizarre reason given. I would think Apple could give a more plausible reason to cover themselves for retaliation for organizing.

You’re assuming you’re getting the full story vs just cherry-picking the app deletion violation.

Re: Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Post by bigjimmyjohnson »

zozbot234 wrote: post #8
ferdowsi wrote: post #7

I've noticed tech employees conducting organizing activities using workplace resources, such as Slack. Even if I agree with the spirit of organizing activity, many people doing it seem totally out of their depth. Of course you are going to get nailed, unless the company is tolerating your organizing as PR or as a venting mechanism.

Last I checked, conducting organizing activities was something you cannot be fired for under employment law. What am I missing here?

To borrow a quote from the motorcycle community:

"The graveyard is full of people who had the right of way."

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Post by 8note »

zozbot234 wrote: post #8
ferdowsi wrote: post #7

I've noticed tech employees conducting organizing activities using workplace resources, such as Slack. Even if I agree with the spirit of organizing activity, many people doing it seem totally out of their depth. Of course you are going to get nailed, unless the company is tolerating your organizing as PR or as a venting mechanism.

Last I checked, conducting organizing activities was something you cannot be fired for under employment law. What am I missing here?

At will employment was brought in to make sure organizers can be fired for organizing

Re: Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Post by Grustaf »

zozbot234 wrote: post #8
ferdowsi wrote: post #7

I've noticed tech employees conducting organizing activities using workplace resources, such as Slack. Even if I agree with the spirit of organizing activity, many people doing it seem totally out of their depth. Of course you are going to get nailed, unless the company is tolerating your organizing as PR or as a venting mechanism.

Last I checked, conducting organizing activities was something you cannot be fired for under employment law. What am I missing here?

The comment you're replying to says "using company resources", those are the operative words here.

Re: Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Post by Grustaf »

> Gjøvik’s latest charge alleges that Tim Cook’s anti-leaking memo might violate US labor law. In September, the CEO sent a note to all Apple employees saying that “people who leak confidential information do not belong” at Apple.

Is The Verge implying that it might violate labour laws to say that people who leak confidential information will be fired? Even for someone from social democratic Scandinavia, it's very hard to object to leakers being fired.

Re: Apple just fired a leader of the AppleToo movement

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Post by CryptoPunk »

With respect to the #AppleToo movement, there is now an entire industry of lawyers and activists who go grievance-hunting due to poorly conceived civil rights law:

https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-sta...

This is exactly the kind of movement that the financial incentives instilled by civil rights laws would create. And it will continue to gradually sap US industry's efficiency.

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