Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri) • Hacker News Board

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by bingohbangoh » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:08 PM UTC

ehutch79 wrote: post #5

Avalaxy wrote: post #3

Excited for the new changes that kernel 5.12 and 5.13 bring. Especially NVidia+Wayland and the hotplugging of AMD GPUs. Let's hope NVidia will follow soon with this functionality (but I doubt it).

is the hotplugging for external gpus, over thunderbolt or something?

piggy-backing -- is there a use case for hotplugging of GPUs?

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by jraph » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:27 PM UTC

evrflx wrote: post #8

u10242 wrote: post #6

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.

Mozilla's own tarballs.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by Barrin92 » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

evrflx wrote: post #8

u10242 wrote: post #6

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.

you can always just download it from the website, unpack it and make a .desktop file or put a symlink under ~/bin or whatever

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by drcongo » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:31 PM UTC

u10242 wrote: post #6

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

As someone whose only experience with linux is servers and Raspberry Pi, can you tell me what's wrong with snaps? I've only used them on a self-hosted NextCloud and my experience with them has been decent, but I see a lot of dislike for them on HN.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by CarelessExpert » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:32 PM UTC

shaicoleman wrote: post #10

evrflx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.

You can also use the Flatpak version: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox

Unfortunately the container breaks certain extensions (e.g. keepassxc-browser). And that's ignoring the fact that, at least on my machine, the flatpak fonts look terrible for some reason and I often run into issues with the Gnome theme not being properly inherited.

I've been using the Debian packages supplied by Ubuntuzilla (despite their being hosted on gag Sourceforge): https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by flyingchipmann » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:34 PM UTC

shaicoleman wrote: post #10

evrflx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an alternative source for non-snap Firefox? snapd is the first thing I nuke on fresh installs. I would like to stay with Ubuntu, if possible.

You can also use the Flatpak version: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.firefox

I had some weird performance issues. Tried it side by side and flakpak version ran significantly worse. Not sure why

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:35 PM UTC

u10242 wrote: post #6

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

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Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by fastaguy88 » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:36 PM UTC

It makes me a bit nervous to go to the main page and be told that there are three types of images, and then only see two listed.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by chomp » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #14

u10242 wrote: post #6

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

As someone whose only experience with linux is servers and Raspberry Pi, can you tell me what's wrong with snaps? I've only used them on a self-hosted NextCloud and my experience with them has been decent, but I see a lot of dislike for them on HN.

There's pros and cons. It helps developers because they aren't restricted to the distro's shipped library versions, they can build against what they need. It also confines the app to a sandbox. The downsides are that the packages end up larger because they ship with all of the necessary bundled libraries (which can also increase memory usage of the application because it can't share the libraries loaded in RAM by the native operating system), and there's a lack of trust that the developer can keep up with bundled library security updates.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish Indri)

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Post by makeworld » Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 4:40 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #14

u10242 wrote: post #6

And Firefox is a snap package now; the .deb will go away next release. Canonical finally managed to make me switch back to Debian.

As someone whose only experience with linux is servers and Raspberry Pi, can you tell me what's wrong with snaps? I've only used them on a self-hosted NextCloud and my experience with them has been decent, but I see a lot of dislike for them on HN.

Background daemon that takes up CPU, proprietary store, slow startup, and automatic updates in the background. Flatpak is much better if you need some sort of sandboxing, or updates outside what your distro can provide.